I’ll take any excuse to talk about UFOs. Interesting topic IMHO. I guess the conspiracy theory that the government is covering up UFO contact is a pretty good one - some people say the UFO landing pad in Alberta, Canada, is no just a tourist attraction, and it was actually the site of first contact. I don’t buy it. I don’t think true contact in the literal sense would be possible to cover up.
“Unfortunately I got stuck on the Earth for rather longer than I intended”, said Ford. “I came for a week and got stuck for fifteen years.”
“But how did you get there in the first place then?”
“Easy, I got a lift with a teaser.”
“A teaser?”
“Yeah.”
“Er, what is…”
“A teaser? Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets which haven’t made interstellar contact yet and buzz them.”
“‘Buzz them?’” Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life difficult for him.
“Yeah,” said Ford, “they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one’s ever going to believe and them strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennae on their head and making beep beep noises. Rather childish really.”
What’s that from? :awesome:
matt: there are theories that UFOs (i.e. the “bell”) is actually technology developed by the Nazis during WW2, and then usurped by the USA.
Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
I should really read those, shouldn’t I.
The problem with those theories are that the attempts of the US (and I believe also Nazis) to build disk-shaped aircraft are documented, public information, and none of the designs worked particularly well. I think they were attempts at rudimentary VTOL aircraft. Maybe they were trying and failing to copy UFOs, but I doubt it.
Haaaave yoooou ever heard a mountain lion mating??? That’s my best guess, though I admit I’m too lazy to search for evidence to refute me or back me up 
[COLOR=‘Black’]By the way, I knew you’d highlight this black text. No, not Crypt19. You. You know who you are.
My favorite is that World War 2 never happened and that it was faked to make children realize that war is horrible. It is the biggest lie ever accomplished. Notice how the World War 2 “veterans” have all started dying? Those are the ones that were deciding to tell the truth. They Just tell the next generation that it DID happen and then it becomes history. (OBVIOUSLY I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS AT ALL)
I don’t really know much about it myself, but a quick search led me to the wikipedia page about the Bell (die glocke). Maybe you’ll find it interesting if you haven’t read about it yet.
I skimmed over it, pretty cool. One thing that needs to be taken into account when discussing UFOs is the most common and obvious skeptic’s argument - total lack of hard evidence. That’s why I tend to discount off-hand most “found” UFO stories. We have records of many German experimental aircraft from WWII and we have the aircraft themselves in many cases. So where is the evidence for the Nazi UFO? I think that, if it exists, it was a failed copy based on some Nazi aeronautical engineer’s close encounter. I considered the lack of evidence to be evidence itself in favor of the increasingly accepted metaphysical interpretations of UFO phenomenon.
People who don’t believe in aliens are crazy
People who believe they secretly abduct people and “probe” them are even crazier
Until you read about the details of purportedly true cases, of course
if you think that’s crazy, you should read about the Dulce base in New Mexico, and the testimonies from a handful of former government employees who were allegedly involved black projects on the base. on the surface, they are allegedly directly related to cattle mutilations, and human abductions, but the details are much stranger.
heres a sort of summary from one guy’s testimony, although there were several others, some of whom were apparently killed or “disappeared” after disclosing what they knew
below is a link from exopolitics that seems to give more details about this alleged black project
https://www.exopolitics.org/dulce-report.htm
interesting if true, but it’s pretty fucking nutty. i’ve always been a bit wary of the whole “reptoid” thing
All the ones that were adapted for Deus Ex. I mean, the fact that people believe these things is beyond a joke.
Just some background, since we’re on the subject:
the whole “alien-government-pact” conspiracy begins with the alleged “Grenada Treaty”, made in 1954 during the Eisenhower administration with the alien “greys”. the treaty basically entailed that the aliens could be allowed to covertly test some cattle, and abduct a few humans for their breeding program as long as they kept the blackop agencies informed on the people involved. Additionally, the aliens agreed to give technology to the military and aid in development of black projects. As it goes, the greys in power kept altering the deal more and more until they stopped abiding altogether.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_Q_0.htm
How to get a total win in this thread in two words? David Icke!
I like “the rosevelt theory” AKA: “the alien theory” or the theory witch shows US military’s psychological power over the world!
Ok here is the story: In some place in the 1900’s a farmer from Rosevelt, Texas was witness to a crash of something that to him was an Undefined Flying Object (AKA: an UFO(!)), he thought he saw a small green man with a sightly big head flew out of it. When the farmer got to the place the military were there!
Some miles away, some time ago, when the farmer was… farming, on a secret military base (called “Area 51” by normal people) a secret project (because of the cold war and soviet) was going on about a weather balloon. It may seem logic that the military made fun of it looking like a little guy with a big head (they may have drawn an “Awesome Smiley” on it)! When they tested it, FAIL it crashed and got found by a farmer!
Now to the main situation; the farmer told the military can’t tell the farmer about their secret project because of that he could be a soviet spy, and the farmer thought it was a alien aircraft! The thing ended with that the military used revert psychology and made reports like as an example that it was a Nazi aircraft and other stuff! Then the media came in and it ended with the start of a new sci-fi genre! This is an example about how much power USA has on the world!
Funny fact: Earth is 50,000 light years away from the closest star to our solar system! Take that, alien fans!
Edit: let’s replace the “funny” fact above with this: “Mars is 25 light minutes from us!” or “If the people who made the Global Position System (GPS) did not know about the speed of light, our cars would have the ability to know that something is coming tin our way long before the vehicle actually got there!”.
Damn you Discovery Science! I’ll keep watching natural geographic channel! Also, Sirius is a dwarf, not a star!
Edit: I meant a solar system! The closest solar system to our planet!
From the same wikipedia article:
And there is only one solar system. Ours. All other stellar systems are not called “solar system”. “Sol” is the name of our sun.
By definition, Sirius is a stellar system. One of the closest, if not THE closest to our solar system. And way closer than 50000 lightyears.
Ok… I have been defeated!
Edit: In Scandinavia Norway (instead of Soviet Russia) the word “sol” means “sun” (Norwegian translation)!
If you’re going in a straight line, perhaps (and if you meant to the nearest system with intelligent life), but let’s say that you didn’t have to go in a straight line.
If you can fold or “warp” space, then you can get there in a relatively short time.