Windows 7 VS. OSX

#301

Huh? I’m doing a law degree and more than half of the students are using Macs rather than PCs. I went to my friend’s chambers the other day and they were entirely using Macs. I went to a dental surgeon to book the appointment to have my wisdom teeth out and there were over 20 Macs there (and not a single PC in sight).

Why, exactly, wouldn’t professional workers use Macs?

No, because 10.6 stopped supporting the old PPC processors. BUT, I managed to get 10.4 running on an old G3 desktop that I have lying around (which was designed to run OS 9 I believe), and it runs pretty well. I used 10 years as a rough guestimate, but if we’re going to be all specific about it, I’ll mitigate my comment to “it has greater longevity with O/S support than Windows”. Happy?

Huh?

Okay, you need to go back a few pages and read the discussion we were having there.

Give me one example of where the Mac only has one program for a task but the PC has many. One. And then explain to me why having several programs is an advantage. And I’m talking about common use apps like photo editing, word processing or browsing, not advanced 3D design, since that’s not applicable for any but those who shouldn’t buy Mac in the first place.

Secondly, you’ve NEVER been able to explain to me why having a start menu is a good thing. The apps folder can be put into a list view to emulate your precious start menu, the finder is a better version of the search bar in Windows, and you can pin any common use applications to the dock. In what way does OS X suffer because of the lack of start bar?

Thirdly, yes, you’re right, saying ‘you can run programs in WINE’ isn’t applicable to common users, and that’s exactly why I conceded that if you are a heavy gamer, don’t buy a Mac for that purpose. But Wine DOES NOT COST MONEY. Crossover does, but WINE IS FREE. Jeez, get your facts straight for once. But hassle? For some games, fine, but certainly not for all. I ran Orange Box out of the…box…so to speak.

Fourthly, you can’t debunk a myth with your opinion. I think that the combination of Expose, Spaces, the dock and the little green + button make for an excellent combination, but evidently you don’t. At the very least, they’re comparable, but at most, I’d argue that Mac OS X is better.

#302

Perhaps you have an ass-backward country, here in Amurica you’d be hard -pressed to find a business using macs.

On a more serious note, if I remember right (I may not be, I may be getting you confused with Bolteh) you live in Australia, so perhaps pcs are more expensive there or something. All I know is that where I live the only place you’ll find macs is with artists and teachers, neither of which know a shit about computers (this is a generalization and I know it isn’t true in every case, but where I live it is most often true) and are just jumping on the mac bandwagon. ANYONE else, and I mean ANYONE, will own a pc.

#303

Students =/= to professionals. In the majority of offices in North America they use primarily PC’s.

They are cheaper systems, and that is what companies care about, not if their users look trendy while doing their work.

#304

So far this debate seems to be pretty much:
Macs: We can do this.
PCs: Uhh… we can do that too.
Macs: Oh… I didn’t know you could do that… well we have this program!
PCs: We have a wider selection.
Macs: But we can still do it!
PCs: Gaming.
Macs: … Fuck you.

#305

Win, but there is more to it than that.

#306

Haha, I know. There’s performance, which with Windows 7 the difference is negligible. Productivity bonuses seem to be pretty much shot down. I will give them that Mac OS is cheaper, though.

#307

There is workflow, for which Windows 7 has no comparison, and the ones bragging about osx workflow are jokes. Then there is customization, Windows 7 lets you customize color transparency etc. Then there’s things like Zune software and and Google Chrome that either can’t be run at all or don’t run well on a mac. And finally, unless you’re running a hackintosh you must buy mac hardware along with your mac os.

#308

Honestly, I wasn’t quite sure about Mac OS until I followed this thread. Every time they wrote an argument I was like “Huh? I’ve been doing that for years on my PC…”. I swear I didn’t feel one way or another before this thread.

Now, performance was an issue before Windows 7. Especially with Vista… So I can kind of see that from the standpoint of a Mac user who hasn’t used a Windows PC since the launch of Windows 7.

So, strangely, the Mac users on this forum have helped fortify my confidence in my PC.

#309

I feel the other way around. I haven’t had much experience with Windows 7, so all the posts made to defend it made me go “Hey… that’s like the same thing OSX had for years, but Windows just does it in an illogical manner + things that give the illusion of being useful, while they actually don’t make life any easier at all”.

Funny how this world full of individuals with individual needs works, innit.

What you people fail to realize is that not every person on this earth has the same basic needs as you do in terms of computers. Personally, I see no use in having a PC with Windows at all. It offers me almost nothing that a Mac can’t offer. For the odd times I want to game, I have multiple options, either through emulation with Wine, through Bootcamp or through API-communicating software like Cider. If I spend 90% of my day doing proper work on my computer and 10% playing games, do I really need to get a Windows computer and suffer from the dreadful experience that is Windows?

I’ve grown up with both OS’s, Over the time, it’s become apparent to me that Windows does not work well for me. And illusive enhancements like Aero Snap and Jumplists won’t change any of that at all, OSX had things like that in some form or the other since the beginning. And I know you’ll just yell at me again, claiming that those features can’t be compared at all, but they can be. Aero Snap is about window management, jumplists is about easy access to specific needs of files and apps. Things OSX had way before, and to me, OSX has done those things right, Windows hasn’t. Same goes for the dock. You claim OSX’s dock is shit, but for me it’s easier and less chunky than the Start-menu in Windows. I’m glad for Windows users that they finally get all of those things, but that still doesn’t mean that Microsoft implemented it right, and of course those things will seem awesome if the next best thing you can compare it to is Vista.

You’ve grown up solely on Windows, you turned out to be a gamer in the long run so you have no need for OSX. I know people that grew up solely on Macs, and they don’t game, but use their macs for everything else. I grew up on both and made my decision… A decision I haven’t regretted since. And I’m looking at buying a new iMac this summer.

#310

Not necessarily true, I do a lot of digital art and graphics using Paint Shop Pro X2 and sometimes Photoshop CS3, I’ve also at one point or another stuck my foot into nearly every aspect of work you can do on a PC, from actual digital design (AutoCADD, took a class and learned all aspects of it) to digital audio editing (Audacity, FL Studio, Anvil Studio), to game creation (3D Gamestudio, Hammer, RM2K <doesn’t really count) to 3D Modelling (Milkshape 3D, 3D Studio Max 7). While I do enjoy my vidya games, Windows provides me with a very easy and efficient working interface for every form of work (more like hobbies for the most part) I’ve ever done.

#311

The green button lol.
And it has the resize edges/corners just like windows, Mac had that one before Windows.

And minimising crap with the yellow button takes it down to the dock, where you can see a mini icon-version of your window, like Window’s TaskBar.

Apple saw the issue with no minimising and copied windows on that one.

#312

Well yes, the last paragraph about windows = gaming was a mere example. All the tools I need for my hobbies or work, I have on Mac, and they work great. In your case, you use programs that only exist on Windows (well, bar some, like Audacity, 3DSMax, Photoshop), so if you don’t want to spend time learning the Mac-equivalent of those programs, then you should stick to Windows.

And whether you like it or not, for the most basic needs of a computer (surfing, mailing, chatting, office-ing, …) OSX works great, and a lot of people will buy it for those tasks only. And believe me, people do want to pay more money for something that looks good, works well for them and gives them less things to worry about (like choice of hardware).

#313

I’m finding that is happening with people at my college, they get Macs, I ask why, they say “Because they’re the…Things to get”.
They don’t even know why, they just use it for Facebook, MSN and Office.

I might bring this up, my brother is an avid gamer but he uses a Mac, he has quite a large library of games actually.

#314

Yeah, we all use Macs while riding our kangaroos to school.

Look, your posts have gone from ridiculous to down right insulting. Do some research or go away. If you want evidence that businesses are moving to Macs (in America, the advancement capital of the world /sarcasm), then look here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

In summary: Macs are being used in as many as 80% of businesses (but not exclusively in those businesses).

Please please please do some research, you only make yourself look like an ass-backward fool.

#315

Okay, now you’ve got me curious.

You say that you have no problem paying more money for less ability because you have no need for more ability (though, if you wanted, you could…in a roundabout way). That’s fine. I have no problem with you wasting your money on less.

But can I ask you, especially since you admit to not using Windows 7 that much:

What makes Windows so “dreadful”?

(Point of interest: I use my PC with Windows computer for 99% for “proper work” and 1% of my time for gaming.)

#316

:hmph:

#317

Look, feel, “smoothness”, intuitiveness, amount of slight annoyance I have to deal with.

And wasting money on less? My entire post was about how I have everything I need on OSX, so I have no specific need for Windows. So what I personally got, was a very good computer that allows me to do the exact same things Windows would allow me to do. On top of that, I got an OS that (to me) looks better, feels better, is intuitive, smoother + a computer that doesn’t look absolutely grotesque and that doesn’t take up half my desk and/or floor around my desk. I still paid too much, but at least I got what I wanted, rather than something that allows me to do the same things, but doesn’t meet any of my other “requirements”.

Whenever I use Windows, I feel like I’m still using an OS that still lives in the days when WYSIWYG was new and fresh.

But like I said in all of posts, I picked OSX after years of using both, I didn’t get one because the popular kids got them, even though you might think that I did.

#318

:stuck_out_tongue:

And I agree with Bolteh, I had so many bad experiences with Windows (the latest of which being my laptop which frequently crashes for no apparent reason - though I know it has something to do with the graphics card - and gives me no information on how to fix it) that I was more than happy to fork out the extra cash (though, for me, it wasn’t that much more) for a computer that I believed (after research) was going to provide me with a better user experience.

#319

Don’t blame the problems you get from your crappy computer on the OS.

#320

Well, my dislikes for Windows are generally not hardware related (my issues with PC hardware goes way further than the annoyances of Windows).

I’m talking about how long it takes to install things, uninstall things, mess with registries in some cases (like the app having been uninstalled, but the OS still thinks it’s installed), a lot of popups asking me the obvious (mainly a Vista problem, though XP also does this at times), finding my way around the HD for both personal files or application files, etcetcetc.

Like I said, to me, Windows feels outdated, as if Microsoft is too afraid to let go of the past.

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