I was exaggerating to make a point. Pcs don’t crash more than macs, and most definitely not pcs running windows 7. Macs don’t have as wide a selection of programs.
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I’m saying from personal experience, PCs crash more than Macs. I’ve had a total of one Mac crash, and that was when I was messing around with WINE anyway. Individual mileage may vary, but I thought we could agree that Mac OS X was more stable. If not, can we at least agree that they are comparable in their stability?
But so far you haven’t been able to point out anything that Macs can’t do. For any Windows program, there is either a port or a native Mac equivalent (barring games, but that’s a separate issue entirely). Please point out one thing you can do on Windows that you cannot do natively on Mac (i.e. do without the use of WINE).
Freely upgrade hardware? >>
I was referring pretty obviously to software, but fine. You can upgrade your HDD or RAM as much as you would like, but no, you can’t upgrade your graphics card, processor or motherboard. For most people that’s not a big issue, but before the few that enjoy that kind of thing (myself included), they buy a desktop PC (I still, however, have a laptop Mac).
CATIA, GAMBIT, FLUENT. There’s 3.
I’ve not had my PC crash on me for at least 2 years, and that includes when I was running the Windows 7 beta and RC. Well, all expect Photoshop which occasionally has a small fit - but that’s because Adobe can’t write reliable, resource friendly software for shit (and that’s on both mac and PC in my experience)…
I don’t know enough about 3D design to be able to answer definitively, but surely another program exists natively for Mac? If not, then I guess Mac isn’t the best for people who need to use those programs, but hardly the majority face those particular issues.
My point was, mostly, that average users can perform exactly the same tasks in OS X that they can in Windows.
An average Mac user or an average Windows user? 
You seem to be doing a lot of hemming and hawwing when shown stuff that Mac can’t do. “Show me something Windows can do that Mac can’t.” “X.” “Well, I wasn’t talking about THAT obviously, so show me something that’s not X that Windows can do that Mac can’t.” “Y.” “Well, most people don’t use Y, so for average users…”
How many more times are you going to move that goalpost? :meh:
Until he runs out of alphabet obviously 
Lol, isnt that like sayin mac is good for stuff mac is good at, and pc is good at stuff pc is good at?
Of course they are, but then again very little can beat my xbox360 at playing xbox360 games. In the end get the OS that suits your needs, end of. The fact of the matter is Windows has a dominance in the OS market. Therefore more people have windows, therefore more user made content for windows.
By the way, CATIA is pretty much the pinnacle of 3D design, well as part of Dassault system’s design suite (all mac incompatable).
Lol, CATIA is used for product design and engineering. WTF are you talking about?
who are you
Name’s danielsangeo. Hi there!
I didn’t have the problems with XP that you did. It did crash on occasion but no where near your experience.
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So let me restate your argument for you; PCs are superior because you can upgrade the motherboard and the graphics card, and because they run some specific kinds of 3D design programs.
I looked up a program that one my engineering friends frequently uses in one of his subjects; and sure enough, MATLAB works on Macs. So not ALL specialised software is unavailable on Mac, but that’s beside the point.
You guys keep treating consumers as some monolithic group, as though what is best for one is best for everyone. The reality is that you can’t reach an ultimate answer of “Which is better, OS X or Windows 7” because everyone will reach the conclusion differently based on their own needs and wants. But, of course, that’s moving the goal posts of the original point of the thread. And the problem is that, if you want an ultimate answer based on the criterion laid out above, then obviously Windows wins. You don’t have the same degree of customisability in hardware and yes, it costs more.
But an ultimate answer is never useful for anyone, least of all the average consumer. If gaming is your prerogative or using obscure programs with no Mac equivalent or port, or constantly upgrading your hardware is extremely important to you (but its less important on a Mac because of the greater longevity of their hardware - not in terms of lasting longer, but in terms of still being able to run the latest O/S 10 years later), then Windows is for you. If gaming is less of a prerogative, you don’t use extremely specialised software, or you just have a Windows installation for doing all of that stuff (like me: my primary computer is a desktop and my laptop is a Mac) and still want a more intuitive and more functional (and, arguably, better looking) O/S, with better desktop management and workflow operation, then Mac is the way to go.
And if you want a batch of programs that are on Mac that aren’t on Windows, look at iWeb (and RapidWeaver - a paid for, but slightly more functional, version) and GarageBand; I, for one, could not find any decent alternative to iWeb as a WYSIWYG web editor during my brief stint as a web editor, and a few of my more musically oriented friends cannot for the life of them find a good alternative to GarageBand, least of all one that comes free with the OS.
I know what CATIA is for, I’m using it extensively for my PhD
I know it does, thats why I didn’t say it didn’t. Unfortunately one of the great uses of MATLAB is to link other programs together. I never said it doesn’t run all specialised software. I said it doesn’t run those specific ones that are in my post. CATIA, FLUENT and GAMBIT.
Seriously re-read my post, what did I say, get whatever suits your own needs. That basically ends the thread.
Unix based = more stable :fffuuu:
OSX = best for professional workers [in general]
Windows = best for Joe Public, the majority. Apple has some leaps that Windows users just aren’t going to use, thus [sub]microsoft[sub] won’t include or do things of the like.
^ this.
Microsoft needs to get with the times and at least use EFI
Lolwut.
You’ll find that the majority of companies use PCs. If you mean the ‘artistic’ crowd, then yes. For professional workers, like lawyers working in offices, not at all.
No.
Mac’s worst idea ever was making their own BIOS.
MAC DOES NOT WORK BETTER FOR CERTAIN THINGS. this is a huge myth that I’m desperately trying to debunk. The don’t do two different things, windows just does more. I really can’t come up with a metaphor for this, because there is nothing I can think of that is as backwards and idiotic as osx. BTW, saying well, x program works on WINE is not a legitimate response, because it’s a hassle, it costs money, and the majority of mac users don’t own it and don’t know how to use it.
Maybe osx has at least one program for almost every task but it doesn’t have as many choices in programs for each task.
Another myth: this is more personal opinion, but osx DOESN’T HAVE BETTER WORKFLOW THAN WINDOWS. Refer to my earlier posts about the start bar and osx’s lack of one. And osx doesn’t have anything to quickly and easily resize window.
I don’t have the time right now to go more in-depth right now but I’ll be back on later with more.
I’m sorry, what? Windows has an intuitive interface, is actually MORE functional and has a great looking interface with great desktop management and workflow operation and can do anything a Mac can do and more. I have a Windows computer. I barely EVER game. But, if I get the notion to, I can.
And what’s this nonsense about “being able to run the latest OS 10 years later”? The latest OS is OSX Snow Leopard. It requires 1GB of memory, an Intel processor, and a DVD drive for installation. The best Mac in 2000 was the Power Macintosh G4 500 Cube. It sported 128MB of RAM at 500MHz processor (that was NOT an Intel chip).
So, tell me. Can Snow Leopard run on a Power Mac G4 500 Cube?