That seems more like a problem with poorly made uninstallers, and third party software developers.
While Macs do not have to deal with such things, there is also the argument of limitation of options this causes.
Granted, on a Mac I wouldn’t be subjected to horrible third party software for a Semi-NAS enclosure, but at least I get to decide on a wide range of possibilities to either get what I want or fuck my own asshole.
I would say my inability to accept something ‘as is’ plays a lot into my preference to using either Windows, or Linux OS.
I realize I’m not in the majority when I don’t want things to ‘Just work’
There is about as many simple ways for a windows user to do what a Mac user does.
I would say the main problem with Windows as an OS is the ability to fuck things up so easily. Unfortunately, the only response Microsoft has had to this is to pester people with security alerts and annoying driver restrictions.
I do like the ability to easily use legacy hardware and software though.
I was talking to loony, who was complaining about Windows crashing because of his video card.
That’s because apple doesn’t let you anywhere near it’s system files, you can’t see the system files unless you use a root console, and the UNIX file structure is alot more complicated than ms file systems, I’m not gonna debate whether it’s worse or better, but it’s definitely older.
Also apple doesn’t even let users disable the annoying .DS_store file creating bug that they call a “feature”.
I often click the green button trying to make something take up the entire screen only to find it makes it some weird size I don’t want. (my mom is probably t blame for having absolutely no ide how to use her computer)
The thing is, on windows, you can see everything you have up and get a preview of it without ever having to really stop paying attention to what you are doing. On osx, you either have to minimize a window to get a preview in the dock, or stop what you are doing to use expose, in windows you can just hover over the window and get a preview of it. If you want a full sized preview you can hover over the icon for a second longer and then just remove the mouse to go back. The whole beauty of Windows 7 is you never have to stop what you are doing to do other things like preview windows. Another thing, the green and yellow buttons are not the same as aero snap. The green button is the same as windows square window shaped button, and the yellow button is the same as windows minimize button.
Here is the massive flaw in your arguments. Aero snap and jumplists have no mac equivalent. Aero snap is for rearranging windows so you can focus on one window quickly, or you can multitask with two windows. And they are extremely useful. Aerosnap allows you to have to windows take up exactly half the screen without any effort. Jumplists allow you to access many many sub icons. For example, steam’s jumplist includes pinned games, recently played games and all the regular steam tabs like friends, games, tools, etc. This eliminates clutter without limiting access.
I’ve given you examples of what osx can’t do (preview windows without interrupting workflow) now give me some examples of things Windows 7 can’t do.
As far as I can see his main argument is thus;
1)OSx can do everything Windows can do, except the stuff it cant.
2)I prefer the way OSx does the things it can do.
3)Therefore it is better.
But the problem with this entire thread is that in order to consider OS X, you have to consider both the OS and the hardware it comes on. Hence, when I compare my computing experience on a Mac, I have to compare it to the computers I’ve had Windows on. I know mileage varies, but I’ve had so many problems on windows, the latest of which is the graphics card issue, that I’ve just had it.
The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result; given my past history with Macs, I tried something different. I hope that, in 2 years, I’ll be able to report that my experience is better than with the PCs I’ve owned over that time.
As much as it isn’t objective, I want to bring up the issue of drivers in relation to my old laptop. Now, my old laptop came shipped with Windows Vista about 2.5 years ago. It was so slow for a brand new computer that I decided to downgrade to a copy of XP that I had lying around. After installing it, I tried to activate it by connecting it to the internet through the ethernet port. Nothing happened. I spent the next hour or two hunting down and installing drivers, and finally managed to get the damn thing to work, even though some of the HP specific features refused to even install.
The same thing happened when I upgraded to Windows 7, except that the only problem was the graphics drivers. I eventually had to find the IBM/Lenovo laptop with the same card and use its driver. Even now there isn’t support on the HP website for my laptop’s graphics card for Windows 7.
I enjoy tinkering a lot. That’s one of the reasons I’m was so eager to get my hands on WINE; because I like putting a lot of effort in to get stuff to work. But Windows surpassed the point at which I actually derived anything but pure annoyance from it; unlike WINE on Mac which, when working (which was quite easy to do) got me able to run Windows programs I wouldn’t have otherwise been able to run, I spent hours and hours just getting Windows computers to operate normally. Its like I spent all this time fixing and improving computers, and at the end of the day the net benefit was zero.
So you’re saying that you can keep typing on your screen while moving your mouse to the dock to get a preview of another window? Or that you can just keep looking at one window while moving your mouse to the bottom of the screen? Unless you can independently move both of your eyes, I think not.
Aero Peek was on my top five list of useless and system hogging features on Vista that I immediately disabled when I got it; its less system hogging on 7, but no less useless. The preview doesn’t give you enough of an idea what is going on in the window, and I’ve never, in all my years of Vista and 7, actually used it properly. I always use Alt+Tab or Win+Tab; much better for actually viewing what windows are doing what, and I think Expose is better than either of those for actually getting a clear picture of what’s on your desktop.
Saying you can get a preview of your entire desktop while still doing something else is impossible, for either Mac or 7. I’m just saying that Mac lets you do it better.
Alright, I will concede that there is no feature in vanilla OS X that allows you to emulate Aero snap. Fine. There are, however, several programs which you can download which emulate the feature pretty damn well (using Cinch on my Mac at the moment).
Aside from that, I really don’t see it as that much of a loss. If you use the green + tab on two Word or Pages documents, they’ll resize to fit their content and then you can manually rearrange them in as much time as it would take to drag both of them to the edges.
Well Mac pretty much has jumplists; pin a folder to the Dock and press on it and it’ll come up with a list/fan of the docs/programs/etc in it. Recently accessed docs come up in Pages/Word, Safari does its recently viewed thing on start up, you can pin folders of school work to the Dock which displays all the contents without loading up Finder, etc etc. You’re right, it doesn’t have it, but I don’t see that it loses a lot (if anything).
First, I meant the ass-backward part as a joke, not an insult. Sorry if you took it that way.
80% of businesses had at least one mac. So businesses with 1 in 50 computers being macs got counted in this survey. If you take this into account, this really isn’t an impressive statistic. Many of the articles mentioned total cost of ownership. Many of them said it was because osx had a much friendlier networking system that didn’t require an IT. I don’t know a whole lot about osx’s networking system, and I will admit that xp’s was really shitty, but now Windows 7 has solved that problem so rather than switching to mac, businesses can simply switch to 7. One of the most biased article mentioned that most pc problems were hardware problems. This is just hilarious. The hardware market isn’t as simple as mac vs. pc. It’s is mac vs. Toshiba vs. dell vs. etc. Somebody ITT quoted a survey in which the stability of various companies hardware were tested and mac did not come out on top. (dammit, couldn’t find the survey and couldn’t find the post, could somebody link the survey or the original post?)
And finally, almost all the articles you quoted were even more biased than you. One of them listed reasons why businesses should use macs and not pcs. Reason number 10 was “because it’s a mac”.
And no need to dis on America, we both know it sucks, but that’s not the topic. (hmmm… this gives me an idea, I think I’ll make an ask an American thread)
Edit: oops. sorry for the double post.
I believe you called my country, and my extension, me, ‘ass backwards’. Insulting someone and then saying “oh no, just kidding” isn’t really a viable excuse.
Yeah, that was a joke.
You said, quite audaciously, that no businesses use Macs. I showed that a lot of businesses use Macs; a lot more than I thought, even.
I’m so confused. You’re saying that, while watching a movie, you’re going to be looking at the other programs running? Okay, so you just press the F3 button and get an instant quick look at all of your windows without stopping watching.
You’re going to have to restate the latter half of your argument; I just don’t understand it.
Alright, so Aero Peek is the thing that, if you hover your mouse over the small thumbnail view, then you get a full screen preview of what’s going on, but don’t have to commit to opening it? I don’t like it because I don’t see the advantage of it over something like Expose or Alt/Win+Tab. Alt/Win+Tab lets you quickly scroll through all of the windows that you have open to pick out the one you want. Expose lets you do the same thing, but by giving you a preview of all the windows at the same time, which I think is more useful for getting a perspective of what you have open.
Okay, you’re saying that you can put your cursor over the dock and get a preview of a window while still typing or reading something else? Eventually you’re going to have to stop what you’re doing to look at the preview, no matter what particular incarnation of it you’re using. I’m just saying that Expose is more useful for that task than anything else.
Eh? I used Pages as a demonstrative example. To demonstrate my point. Just did it in Safari, iPhoto, etc. It works in everything.
Again, you need to actually go use OS X. If you look at the options on one of the folders on the Mac, the options allow you to customise the list however you want. Sort it by recently opened? No problem.
And its not a feature in both OS X and Windows 7. Can you, in Windows 7, view a grid view of the contents of a folder without going into explorer? Can you view a fan view of the most recently opened files in that folder? Didn’t think so.
You keep talking about reducing clutter, but there’s only a limited extent to which you can avoid that without actually taking the time to organise your files and folders. Sure, you can pin a few files to the list for each program, but how do you find those files in the first place? You only increase accessibility to a limited extent with 7; pinning folders to the dock gives you quick access to all of your files without going hunting in Explorer (or Finder). The grid layout is surprisingly accessible, and the fan view works well in downloads for finding your recently downloaded files. I also use the recently opened view for my documents to quickly find my uni work.
:lol: 
Glad I could bring some insight in on this argument.
Aero peek wasn’t in vista, how could you possibly disable it? :retard:
At least he tried Vista thoroughly, if not Windows 7.
/sarcasm
I just find it humorous that he goes on and on about how much shit he has deal with Windows, but has said that he hasn’t used it thoroughly.
Why does everyone become so defensive about a fucking operating system? Don’t like it? Move the fuck along and QQ sum moar.
BTW I use BSD so you all lose
Um. Do you know what thread you’re in?
I envy you. I tried to use it but it’s not very laptop friendly, hardware support in BSD sucks unfortunately. I can’t live without wifi or sound. 
No, scrap that, I’m using a hand-made OS written entirely in Assembly.
Suckers
look I tend to agree with Gordon, no OS is worth getting this defensive about. Fuck it, if it does what you want it to do, be happy and leave it at that.
No forum thread is gonna persuade someone the other way. All I can say loony is try 7, its a great OS, best windows I’ve used. If you like it, grand, if you don’t well thats fine too.
Now I’m off to reboot into ubuntu…
mental2k:
I’m going to ask you the same question I asked Gordon. Do you know what thread you’re in? You didn’t think there might be some sort of debate between Windows 7 and OSX in a thread entitled “Windows 7 VS. OSX”?
Daniel, I’m all up for debate, thing is, this is no longer a debate. I think just about every coherent and salient point has been made, by both sides. It’s now descended into stupidity. I can summarise the rest of the ‘debate’ thusly;
Someone will point out something OSx can’t do.
Loony will point out most people don’t need this feature.
Windows users will point out OSx does not have aero snap.
Loony will say it has something similar.
Windows users will say it is not the same.
Loony will defend OSx, repeat previous comments, adding only whatever new thing OSx can’t do.
Loony will then point out he finds OSx more intuitive, and it crashes less.
Amassed windows users will say, you have a stereotypical view of windows.
Linux/Unix users will laugh and defend windows because it too is familiar to them.
Ad infinitum.
Not a debate, just a badly coded while loop.