I regret ever standing up for myself. I will remember that in the future.
There are enough people in the world that believe that that it can taken seriously.
You know Catz, I’m starting to wonder why you’re so afraid of engaging in healthy debate?
So far, apart from some remarks by a certain Alaskan boy, this debate has been healthy and informative, yet you just completely shut down when someone asks you something.
It sounds to me that you’re angry with the bill and don’t even know why you’re angry.
There is questionable value in these debates, as no one will walk away opinions changed, and while a lack of contest does lead to extremism, you guys are extreme enough that you’re not going to change.
Dang it, I lost.
She is a conservative and does not like the idea of an unconstitutional bill that will allow the government to control health care, student loans, and insurance. Call us ignorant if you want, but from all of the bad vibes coming from this bill it sounds like a bad idea. Plus the 30 some lawsuits against it doesn’t sound to favorable from the states and citizen perspectives.
there is no such thing…
False - not everyone reading the debate has a strong opinion (or else they’d probably be participating). They might very well walk away with opinions changed. See: my previous post in this thread
Possibly.
Sorry, but how is it unconstitutional?
No, the government will not be controlling health care.
They’re already doing that.
Perhaps the out-of-control insurance companies could benefit from actually having some controls in place.
Yet, when you’re asked about what parts of the bill you don’t like, you can’t come up with chapter and verse.
You mean “frivolous” lawsuits, right?
https://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/23/health.care.scenarios/index.html?hpt=C1
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I know right? This guy gets it.
Or you know, accidents happen and you don’t want your life to be fucked up because of it.
So let me get this straight. Legislation preventing insurance companies from screwing poor and/or sick people is horrible and un-American.
Making sure everybody has access to proper medical care free of charge is fascism.
Making it so that you can actually get an insurance plan with an existing medical condition is unconstitutional.
:facepalm:
Cry more. I know I’m going to get flak for this, but healthcare isn’t the issue here. The reason for all the bitching and moaning from the right is because it’s being pushed by the Democrats, and thus the Republican leadership thought a good old bout of misguided populist outrage and scaremongering about ‘Socialism!’ and ‘Death Panels!’ would throw a wrench in the works. They failed, and the country is better off for it.
Kind of. The Dems watered down the bill in the hopes of a bipartisan compromise. Obviously, it didn’t work.
But hey, it’s better than nothing.
It’s a foot in the door, that’s all I was really hoping for anyway.
So have the baby and give him/her to an infertile couple, they’d love to have the tyke.
But I digress, this is about the US getting better, non-corporate healthcare.
Final vote on house bill:
Dem: Yea: 219 Nay: 34
Rep: Yea: 0 Nay: 178
Total: Yea: 219 Nay: 212
We started in the middle, moved the bill further and further to the right to garner some Republican votes, placing amendment after amendment that the Republicans called for, and how many votes did we get for all this watering down?
Zero.
So, tell me this: Why should we try to appease the “Party of No” anymore? Or, as evidenced by Boehner’s response, the “Party of Hell No”? They’re not going to vote for anything major that the Dems put forth anyway, so, while this this isn’t going to sound nonpartisan or nice (in fact, it’s going to sound downright rude):
Screw 'em.
They’ve already shown themselves to be nothing but partisan hacks that are simply going against something because a Dem is for it, so screw 'em. We don’t need their votes. We tried bipartisanship. It didn’t work. We got slapped in the face for it. So, screw 'em.
Let’s try to get some real reform passed now instead of a “Pleasopleasevoteforthis” bill.
I think it’s safe to say that we’re all pretty pissed about the bill getting watered down.
I hope Obama isn’t that naive to keep up this “omgee lets maek our enemies frends!” bullshit that never works in real life.
Whgat is wrong with it though? Surely any kind of free healthcare is good?
Nope.
Also, I’m too lazy to quote you Mattemuse, but I can see your point, but I don’t see too many people who aren’t posting looking at the thread. But then again I may just get the wrong time.
Most people in America don’t seem to get it though.
You and I know what it’s like, they don’t.