Prop 8 - Unconstitutional

You’re in two that I’m aware of as we speak.

I think he means world wars.

No religion would just eliminate holy wars. Wars started because of land, oil, politics or just plain madness would still happen.

Still Waiting Blackout :slight_smile:

War is pretty much a product of human nature- after all, Hobbes would have it that life on Earth is nasty, brutish, and short.

As for the topic, I always was of the persuasion that the government shouldn’t be deciding what is or isn’t marriage in the first place. It seemed out of their pay grade, and is up to the individual to decide what it is or isn’t in their eyes rather than making it a broad societal concern worth wasting money over.

Wait these hobbes?

Filthy, stinkin’ hobbeses!

Yes but governments like to have legislation for things.

Was having a discussion with my Catholic grandmother a few days ago about homosexuality and how it’s actually pretty damn natural because a lot of animals do it as well. But seeing as I had no idea at all just how many species and to which extend they show homosexuality, I decided to look it up.

Apparently there are well over 1200 different species of animals that show homosexual behavior. This behavior can range from basic things like bonding with a same sex of the same species for the entire life and just mate with the opposite gender once a year (male mallards, for example), to a completely homosexual relationship where the opposite gender is aggressively chased away and the 2 homosexual animals perform active sex (like the American Bison (including full anal penetration)).

Additionally, there have been several studies regarding homosexual behavior of certain birds. There’s 2 male penguins in a German zoo that have always stuck together the entire time and actively tried to reproduce (but failed, obviously), at some point they gave them an egg, they hatched it and raised the chick well.

Same goes for 2 vultures somewhere else. Always stuck together, had no attention for females, just tried to shag each other. At some point they gave them a fake egg, they cared for it and tried to hatch it. After a while they replaced the egg with a vulture chick that was abandoned by its original parents, and the homosexual vultures raised it well. Though at some point the zookeepers added a female vulture to the cage, one of the males actually took interest in it, and started coupling with it. The other one became massively depressed until they moved that one to another zoo, introduced him to a female and he coupled with that one.

Also, bonobos (one of our closer “cousins”) actively solves conflicts by having gay sex, instead of fighting.

Also also, 25% of all the male black swans are homosexual. Actively bonding with each other and raiding nests to steal the eggs, or have a threesome with a female to obtain the eggs and then drive her away.

Hell, even insects show homosexual behavior.

Well, the legal right of marriage (as distinct from the religious rite of marriage) confers hundreds of laws onto the couple including, but not limited to, right to make medical decisions when the other is unable to, the right to even VISIT the other in the hospital, the right to file jointly on taxes, the right to make economic decisions for the other if the other is unable to, and so on. I can find a full list of rights given to people upon marriage if you want, but I think you get the idea.

Legal marriage has been around for ages. I don’t see any reason to just get rid of it.

Sure, but insects are far too simple to choose that lifestyle.

In the case of insects, it’s 100% instinct.

Bed bugs, for example, sense when an other bed bug is well fed, and only reproduce with those that are, regardless of gender.

Though, I highly doubt homosexuals choose to be homosexual (well some of them do for attention, I’d wager). If your brain tells you to attempt coitus with a member of the same gender, what are you going to do then? Choose the hetero lifestyle?

Who said there’s anything wrong with choosing to be gay? :brow:

You made it sound as if every human could “choose” to be gay, while insects can’t.

It is you who made it sound like there’s something wrong.

Nothing, aside from that being impossible. It’s a quaint idea, though. Would fit into a fantasy novel or roleplaying setting. Maybe appliable to a fictional race like elves or fairies.

are there any gays that own a boat

The US Navy.

Live and let live. I don’t give a fuck- you could marry a tree if you wanted to, its’ your choice.

The tree can’t really consent, though, so…

If they don’t complain it’s not rape.

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