At this point, I think it’s more a matter of wanting the game out, rather than seeing content. They just know that the mod has yet to be released, so they cry out for content posts and updates so they can at least see it. Then they complain when there is none.
At this juncture, it’s a moot point to keep bugging for release dates and content. I just visit this site, and if the game just happens to have been released, then I’ll download it then. I hardly visit this site as it is.
So you’re saying if someones goes on to the homepage, checks the Twitter and YouTube accounts and doesn’t see any progress they must instantly join the forum and ask for progress? No, they should join the forum and search a few goddamn threads AND check the Wiki. Its not like they have to go digging for these links, they’re right there on the homepage along with the Twitter link.
Its when they just join and create a new thread demanding progress reports/complaining about it not being released that they get flamed and pointed to the areas they should have checked before posting.
As much as these guys/girls are dicks I do enjoy the banter on the forum :fffuuu: 
And I feel the media releases are more for the newbs who haven’t joined the forum or aren’t active in it, its good to check the wiki and see new content just to know its still alive. The rest of us are content being on the forum but those who aren’t don’t have much of a way to find out what state the mods in, if any!
Also, what DragoonXGW said 
Basically, updates aren’t hard to find so do some fucking looking around.
It’s actually pretty easy. Just have a opinion that’s different from the majority here (aka any negative criticism about the mod).
HEY DUD THATS NOT THE MAIN PAGE!!!
the main page sasy TWITER!! not wiki
all they have to do is chang “fallow twiter for updates” to “look at wiki for updates” but have they no
no where on the main page dose it say updates and wiki in the same line wich is exactly what i said!
and again if they put updates on the main page their would be no reason for pepole to complain about the lack of updates.
and IM being flamed and IM not complaing about updates im just sugesting how they can stop alot of the complaints!
but aparintly if you say somthing that is even slightly critcal of Black massa you are an EVIL TROOL who wants nothing else to destroy the world
If they would update Twitter, or change it, that it says “Updates in the wiki” everyone would get hyped again: “zomg, balck meas is almaust reliieeazeed!!111”
Oh jesus, it’s this fucking discussion all over again.
When are people going to realize that a mod as big and expected like this one is sure to get covered on all big gaming sites when it’s released?
Seriously, I’m very sure that either the cancelling or the release date/day are going to get extensive coverage on 90% of the gaming channels. There’s really no need to follow the development of this mod all the time to know if it’s alive or dead unless you really want to.
Posting endless threads about it aren’t going to change the way the devs handle the project.
i have made a 20min long game using my own matirals and many of my own static meshes with udk
i have made many smaller games and i have been using blender and 3dsmax
i have only been doing this for one year!!
and i still was able to do all that
now im not saying its easy but its also no where near as hard as making a game from scratch
It’s not that we think you’re a troll, it’s just that, for example, the main home page got a re-design today, with the new main image, and already there have been about 5 new threads with people going “OMG OMG OMG OMG WTF THE MOD IS GONNA BE RELEASED IN THE NEXT HOUR! WHHHHAAAAAAAA !!!1111! 11”
And this is why there is a general lack of updates, because when these people realize that it probably won’t be released, the inevitable complaints will being to roll in.
And so, again, for the third time, my advice to all people waiting for this mod to reduce complaining is to sit back, and be patient.
EDIT: Dammit, got :ninja:'d by two posts
ok so your saying you dont want pepole to see updates?
that is what you just said
you said if they see an update they come on here and post so you dont want them to update
but
you also want pepole to see updates becuse if they dont they complain
pick one or the other you cant have it both ways
and if once a month every month the twitter was updated pepole would get use to it and not think it means the game is coming out soon.
if they dont update for over a year then update with out an explnashion why shouldnt pepole think it means it will come out soon.
imagen valve relases half-life 2 ep3 video tomoro with no explnashion then a month later says “why would you think that means it coming out soon its still another 2 years away atlest”
sigh I personally don’t care for updates, I’ve lurked here for a good 3 or so years, and so I feel I’ve seen enough to now make me wait for the mod.
However, for those who would like updates, which is a great many, then the wiki is there. Any other update provides this volatile reaction which leads to flame wars, complaints, bans and the same questions being given the same answers again.
As for your other point, look at Portal 2. There were videos shown, we then got told it would be released soon, and then they delayed it. I’m not going to further discuss that point.
seriously what is with all the people complaining that everyone gets “flamed” for being critical or having a different opinion
we use “bad words”, sure, but it’s nowhere near as bad as many of these people make it seem o.O
but if updates are posted once, 3 days later people would go ZOMG BALCK MEAS IS DEAD NO UPDATES FOR 3 DAYS!!!1!1111!one!1111two!!
it’s an evil circle
One of the best points in this thread. Nothing serious even happened other than an image change and everyone fucking flipped out.
Who has flamed you? If you think what people have said so far is flaming you than you might wanna toughen up.
I can give the folks over in the ladies club a call if we are going to have problems.
Well, if that’s so, then I suggest you take your mod builder, get started on “HL1:HD by 8bit_god” and beat the BM-Team to it. Don’t forget to give the fans daily updates!!
The front page was updated? I hadn’t noticed. Because I generally skip to the forums. lol
You know, it never ceases to amaze me how bad trolls execute their grammar.
Personally, i think that the argument of the team being much smaller is a bit unacceptable and that it’s no excuse for exceeding an expected due day by nearly two years.
The reason i find the argument invalid, is that most developers have a severe cripple in comparison to that of team black mesa. When a developer creates a game, they focus on several things; new sound design, a totally new engine, creating a story/plot design, and level design. TBM suffer from none of the above to a full extent, as they have a predesigned engine (source) which came fully packed with sounds for every physic collision and what have you. They could probably get through making the entire mod without using a single original sound clip (not including voices).
They also had the pleasure of having every single event already planned out in front of them. They knew what the levels should look like, and they knew what scripted events to put where. They didn’t even have to produce their own story.
Some would argue that CALL OF DUTY uses the same engine, so how would i compare TBM to teams at Activision? Well, i wouldn’t, because activision releases a brand new game every single year.
There are faults with this argument, but this very argument is still a catalyst for anger for some people.
That said, i personally am not angry with anybody working on the project for taking so long. Instead, i am just excited. If anything, the long wait has built my interest.
I find it interesting that in the face of everything we’ve said to you, all you can say is “I’ve done such and such and this and that and it only took me so long to do it in”
that’s paraphrasing, if you didn’t catch it.
You say you’ve made games? It’s really easy to say something. Here’s an example.
I’m secretly the head developer of Atlus and I can assure everyone that although no announcements have been made, Shin Megami Tensei 4 is in the works!
How many of you believe me? none of you do… or if you do, you’re truthfully a hopeless soul. The point is, unless you’re willing to back up some claims with some hard proof, don’t go there. I certainly don’t believe you. Your post format, the fact that your spelling suddenly got quite horrendous, is a sign that you’re flustered and saying whatever pops into your mind to say whether it’s true of false. The fact that you went out of your way to mention that you’ve been flamed and have been unaffected tells me that you feel like you’ve been flamed (which you haven’t) and you are suddenly feeling very defensive about it.
Now, in regards to your comments about updating things to say to look at the forums and the wiki, I really don’t think that should be necessary. As mentioned before, doing such a thing would only cause an influx of people clamoring on about how the mod’s going to be released soon. Maybe it will be, maybe it won’t. But we don’t need that going on. I’m not sure who thought up doing what they did to the home page, but I think they might have made a mistake in doing so. It’s common knowledge on the internet these days that if you want up to date information on something, a wiki is the best place to get it. And there’s a link to the wiki right on the home page. As I said before, it’s a no-brainer. Furthermore, it’s been a long-standing online tradition that information can usually be found on dedicated forums. Once again, a no-brainer. The problem is, most people aren’t intelligent about it once they get on the forums. Most of the information they are looking for is only a “search” away.
I’m done for now. Or I thought I was… then I was ninjad…
I hate to say this Pyjamasbox, but you are right, and wrong at the same time. Yes, they could have gone without using a single original sound file, and yes, they did have the story and general progression layed out for them. But consider this… they still had to build all those levels from scratch, they didn’t have any preexisting levels just laying around to be used. Furthermore, they didn’t just… copy the levels. Each level has been completely redone and revamped. The levels are not going to be like they were in the original game, layouts are going to be different. So consider that they DID have to take the time to design new layouts. Furthermore… sure Activision pops out a new game every year… great… they’ve got hundreds of people working for them. Black Mesa does not. Furthermore, there is still the issue that no one lives near each other, they can’t just meet up to collaborate, to lay all their cards on the table for discussion. companies like Activision can… and do. You say our devs have the advantage, but they most assuredly do not. Oh… also… rarely do game companies create new sounds for their games most companies use open sourse materials for things like gunshots and enemies dieing, for doors opening and explosions.
Now I’m done… for sure… unless I’ve been ninjad again?
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Founded in 2004, Leakfree.org became one of the first online communities dedicated to Valve’s Source engine development. It is more famously known for the formation of Black Mesa: Source under the 'Leakfree Modification Team' handle in September 2004.