Exactly. Isn’t freedom of speech cool?
Yes, yes it is.
And I am not in the least offended.
After all - I might be completely wrong (which would be outrageously stupid and embarrassing) about it. I don’t think so - at least not yet - but there’s no telling what the future might bring (apart from global issues like warming climate, severe draughts, fresh water and fossile fuel shortages, a major worldwide energy crisis, famine and increasing health problems in all industrialized nations, alongside a couple of resource wars, of course).
If by “God” you mean “Evolution”, then yes.
Where did I say it was a nonhuman? I thought that I typed “human life” more than enough…
Can skin cells become a human being? NO! only once a sperm joins with a ovum is a human being formed. If The fetus was the same as a skin cells and shouldn’t be not considered a human being, then by your logic why is it that when a pregnant woman is killed it is considered a double homicide? By your flawed logic would scrapping your knee be considered genocide?
Seriously skin cells and a growing baby are completely different. a baby is a individual human being dependent on his or her mother. Skin cells are designed to cover the body, not to develop a body. A fetus from conception on the other hand is an immature human dependent on his or her mother and is worthy of person-hood.
Because I agree with that statement.
The fact that the proper, most used and known meaning is ‘a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations’.
Yet, you still used the word wrong in your quote.
He had an opinion, not a hypothesis.
God, Cup o Joe is so full of shit, and he doesn’t even realize why.
Is a clone of a Human, a Human being, by your logic, no. And yet that clone will share exactly the DNA and epigenetics as the Human from which it comes.
Just because something is considered to be something else does not make it so, a foetus has the potential to be a Human Being, it is not actually a Human being as it does not yet possess the cells that Human’s have. The debate about when a foetus becomes a Human is ongoing, it won’t end, but the best place to draw the arbitrary line is Birth, at that point, the foetus becomes a Human being.
Also, when sperm and an Ovum join, a Zygote is formed, not a Human being, the Zygotes cells are as yet, undefined in terms of function. It is not a human being.
No. He IS making an argument based on that supposition or assumption, not stating an opinion. Stop trying to troll my posts with pointless (and incorrect) nitpicking.
You’re making a differentiation between “human” and “human being.” Same thing I’ve been saying, that embryos aren’t “individuals” until they obtain characteristics that make their life meaningfully seperate from the mother’s. I agree on that point, but saying the differentiation spontaneously occurs at the moment of birth is stupid, and not supported by logic or facts.
Quite irrelevant. The complaint is that human life is being purposefully killed. Skin cells are human life.
False. It isn’t a human being yet.
It’s not my logic. It’s yours. And it’s stupid.
Who the fuck put a baby inside a womb?!
Then there is no baby in the womb, by definition.
Still quite irrelevant. See above.
Only from the point where it is capable of surviving detached from the mother-to-be.
Careful. I never said that CELL DIFFERENTIATION occurs at the moment of birth. I’m saying that a “human being” is only from birth till death.
A hypothesis relates to something that is yet to happen, a prediction, you can’t have a hypothesis on something that has already, or is already happening, it contradicts the use of the word.
Stem Cell research is happening now, so he has an opnion, get it fucking right.
Now you’re just speaking gibberish.
You’ve made a differentiation between “human” and “human being,” and you keep saying a “human being” is ONLY from birth till death.
Before birth: human.
After birth: human being
Two different things, according to you. Differentiated at birth, according to you. Not only does the concept not make sense, the way you are choosing to defend it also makes no sense.
You confused me. I thought you were talking about cell differentiation.
Yes, I’m differentiating between “human” and “human being”. “Human” is an umbrella term that includes every cell in the body that is a member of the Homo sapiens species…whether it’s a sperm cell or the entire organism. “Human being”, however, is only the entire organism from birth to death because it is only at birth that the human life survives without being connected to the host organism. At the point of separation (whether it’s natural through childbirth or unnatural through Cesarean) is it a human being.
Sorry if I confused you.
You didn’t confuse me at all; I understand exactly what you’re saying. But think about it - mental separation occurs before physical separation. Infants are self-aware in the womb for a significant period of time…are you really claiming that a self-aware infant inside the womb is less of a “human being” than a self-aware infant the moment after it is born?
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You’re falling into the same classic trap as Cup o Joe. There is no “infant in a womb”; infancy is from birth to about one year old, then they’re a toddler.
Yes, there is human life inside the womb and it might be self-aware (though that’s under hot debate because there are those that believe that even born infants aren’t self-aware yet).
There is no clear dividing line where the fetus “mentally separates” because there are those that believe that mental separation happens AFTER birth.
I lol’d.
Thats what you keep saying, but it isn’t a defensible position at all.
There is no magical process that occurs at/after birth to transform a fetus into an infant. The immediately pre-birth baby is biologically identical to the post-birth baby, and they both posess biological structures that are capable of sustaining consciousness as well as behavioral evidence of consciousness.
This is proven by the fact that premature babies can be developmentally identical to ‘mature’ ones; a 2-week premature baby is conscious at birth, and therefore would have been conscious in the womb for at least 2 weeks given a natural birth cycle.