Embryonic stem cell research

#301

I told my dad (who is a doctor) about your Gerson’s cure and bleeding statue bullshit and he suggested you take Haldol.

On a more serious note, qoutes from the bible are not valid arguments. When qouting a source you should check the sources credibility and the credibility of the author, see if other sources confirm your original source, see if the source is up-to-date, and finally see if professionals in the field support your source. The bible epically fails all of the above tests. BTW the above is almost directly taken from my English text book.

And the above link is based off the fact that religion is true. Here is that link simplified. Science cannot contradict faith because faith is right.

#302

It is still dependent on the mother, though.

#303

I was lurking, curiosity got the better of me, and my career path/education made it too tempting not to post.

Embryonic stem cells come from an embryo that’s between 50 and 200 cells large. It’s a tiny, tiny dot of little cells that COULD give rise to a human life if they were to begin dividing and building specific cellular systems based on encoded genetic data, but they are harvested before they can.

https://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp

(This is from the National Institute of Health, a government organization of the United States that researches and experiments with medicine and human health sciences, as well as directing public health facilities and groups in the treatment of persons both here in the states and abroad. They also back their data with research and information already culminated from both American and International research. In short, it’s not Wikipedia.)

It’s not a human life, it’s a microscopic handful of cells that, when they work together, can create human life. You might as well imprison yourself for the murder of trillions of billions of innocent sperm cells, or the loss of hundreds of thousands of unfertilized ovum. They have the ability to create human life as much as embryonic stem cells. It’s just a matter of having them triggered properly to do so.

Stem cells do not correlate into a living organism, they’re just a mesh of unspecified cells that can rapidly replicate and grow into bigger cellular forms when they’re engaged by natural triggers within their genetic code. They have the POTENTIAL to form life, but they in themselves ARE NOT life.

Stem cells are so important to medicine because of how they act, they can mimic cells to develop tissues and systems on their own. So, if applied correctly, a woman suffering from debilitating heart disease or lung cancer can have new, healthy lung or heart tissue grown from embryonic stem cells. (Much like this rat)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZvo9zH8Bc

(And yeah, the stem cells were taken from newborn rats, but they’re lab rats used for research dammit.)

Hell, this shouldn’t even be such a big deal anymore, we know how to synthesize these stem cells from a healthy adult, without the whole embryonic thing.

https://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics4.asp

(and that’s the National Institute of friggin’ health, again.)

Both types of stem cells have their pros and cons, embryonic stem cells generally being a little more complicated to grow and harvest than ones found already within human beings, and both having issues with cell compatibility upon introduction to the body.

People wonder why we can’t cure cancer, people ask why so many have to suffer with Parkinson’s Disease, diabetes, breast cancer, and autism. They do because people are so quick to take “Embryo,” as a word, and being completely ignorant of the biology and technicality of the term’s use, make embryonic stem cells out to be a life wasted. When these cells are just a lump of nothing.

It’s so blindingly obvious, so many people just can’t grasp that embryonic stem cells are cells that haven’t formed into any kind of organism yet, not the ones harvested for human research like we’re talking about. Now if these were older embryos in which the stem cells have began pooling into sections to form organs and limbs, then it’d be debatable. But they’re not, they’re a lump of unused cells. No different from the countless sperm that have died on balled-up tissues or unused eggs in the ovaries.

Honestly, if public schools did a little better to educate with biology and human anatomy and physiology there wouldn’t be such a shitstorm over this issue. If you wanna bitch and moan about lives wasted, why not bitch and moan about abortion? Those are stem cells that HAVE formed living organisms with distinct biological systems. That could be debated. Embryonic stem cells on the other hand… well, seriously?

#304

/thread. please for the love of fucking GOD /THREAD.

#305

Wait, I thought there was no God?

#306

inb4 Cup o Joe saying “a human life is started at conception, this is a universal truth and cannot be denied.”

#307

Where in the Bible does it say that anyway?

#308

We already have the cure for cancer; organic food. You see, pharmacuetical companies don’t make money off organic food, so they pay farmers to poison their food so it’s unhealthy for us and gives us asthma, diabetes, cancer, atheism, and many more chronic diseases. My friend was Asian and doctors suggested an intense regiment of chemo for 3 years, instead he started the Gerson’s cure and 5 months later he was cured!!!

(for anybody who hasn’t stumbled upon cup o joe’s ignorance yet this post is imitating him)[/SIZE]

#309

It doesn’t. :meh: [color=’#212121’]i hope that wasn’t a rhetorical question…

#310

And this one too…

btw, yes it IS in the bible. Here is one of many.
Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

#311

Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

I take this to mean that at the moment a needle touches a piece of thread, it is this exact moment in which a sweater is Created.

#312

Only if the knitter is wearing its mother.

#313

Seems to me that “knit together” implies raw materials, like… undifferentiated stem cells? Which, per the passage, are not themselves human if they are being used as raw materials. Otherwise the passage would read, “you miraculously and improbably poofed me into existence in my mother’s womb.”

#314

Why is the bible even in this topic, I realize religion is a thing that is close to many people but does it really have a place out in the real world and actual issues?

#315

As much as any fanfiction does.

#316

Source?

#317

That’s true but those have a higher rate of failure, and are generally worse.

#318

Then you probably didn’t pay too much attention.

#319

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Source?

#320

Well I’m glad that you agree with yourself.

Anyway doctors shouldn’t be allowed to make any advances in science, because morals are what make humans the superior species.

Oh wait.

First off there’s way too many people on the earth to begin with, so if some good can come out of what would eventually be another foster kid (if they’re lucky) that can’t get a decent education because money is split across so many people already then that is the most wonderful thing that scientists could do.

Umbilical cords also have stem cells in them as well, and since that’s also classified under embryonic stem cell research everybody’s against that too.

There will probably never be another Einstein or Bell or other great inventors, because people nowadays are becoming stupider thanks to apathy, and human kind has basically resorted to trying to make existing inventions somewhat better or different. Not to mention trying to get our failed inventions to work even though they never will work, IE religion or only will with humongous changes, IE government and social systems.

Religion doesn’t really have a place in human culture anymore whatsoever. But there it stays.

shrugs

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