obvious sarcasm is obvious :facepalm:
Why do you think something purposefully designed our universe and the life within it?
Please, I’d love to talk on the subject of ID. Everyone agreeing on evolution does not make for a lively debate but, instead, becomes a me-too-athon.
So, here’s my three-pronged question:
If there is an intelligent designer for our universe, what designed the intelligent designer? If nothing did and the intelligent designer is everlasting, why can’t the universe be everlasting and cut out the middleman (as it were)? Is it really turtles all the way down?
I have no idea. But I will ask him when I see him. 
How deep do you think ID goes? Did a deity simply create a universe and let it ride, or does god actively dick around with the evolution process?
Sure it’s a him? :3
If it was a woman, then it would have been a woman created first. 
And yes, I think the Intelligent Designer aka God actively uses evolution to bring his masterpiece together.
Perhaps you can agree that evolution is, and always was, a means to being perfect creations, as it allows organisms to adapt to a constantly changing environment. If there is an omniscient being who created us, I’m sure he would know being perfect at one point in time does not mean you’d be perfect in the future.
Evolution doesn’t make anything perfect >.>
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I’m trying my best to tie evolution into religion, it isn’t easy.
Sharks.
Isn’t evolution the result of natural selection cultivating the development of advantageous genetic mutations? So can’t we just say some believe the genetic mutations are random, and some say they are caused by a Designer, and that the two viewpoints are roughly equivalent?
I think what Winged One is saying is that evolution can be thought of as what makes life (supposedly god’s creation) perfect: the ability to adapt to surroundings. In this way death could be considered a gift, as it is what makes things change, or something.
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Exactly.
Now if only that pesky section in the Bible about everything being created at the same time didn’t exist… >.<
Well, it is said that the Bible isn’t all that accurate since it’s been rewritten so many time. Word of God? More like the word of hundreds of people. Perhaps the original “Word of God” said something more…scientific?
except that those mutations are most likely the cause of the environment, Radicals cause the cells in the body, specifically the DNA, to become damaged or changed and thus when the cells reproduce, they reproduce altered copies of them self. these mutations over billions of years cause organisms to evolve.
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And crocodiles, and spiders and scorpions.
1.I’m not sure where radicals come from, based on skimming that wiki article. How are they produced in the body where they can cause cells to mutate? Does this production occur in a random manner?
- Wikipedia says radicals cause cancer. Even leaving aside point 1, It seems to me that whether the mutations caused by radicals is beneficial or detrimental to the organism is a result of random chance (or conversely caused by a “Designer”).
At the same time? pshaw… What if time stood still in God’s heaven though? What if to him a day passed, but to us 10 thousand years passed? Would it then be a lie to say God created everything in 6 days?
Well… I guess it depends on what point of view you were coming from and I guess it depends on what meaning you are applying to the word “day”. “Back in my day…” day or “That day was a good day” day? It may be that when the first discussion happened, that God was speaking in days as representing long periods of times. We do it when we say the “Cambrian period” or “Triassic period”. Perhaps in those early days they didn’t call them periods, they called them “Days” which is considered more of a symbolic day.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I know it also states that the light was called day, and the darkness was called night. That the evening and the morning were the first day. So does that mean the earth was covered in light for a billion years, and then it was covered in darkness for a billion years? I dunno. I really dont. But I kinda doubt that.
Mind you I am just theorizing here, I still have an open mind to different interpretations of the word “days” in Genesis and I am still open to ideas that explains or encompasses all possibilities. I prefer to NOT put my God in a “box of human understanding”. But in the end, to me it doesn’t matter. The fact that it happened at all is a miracle in my eyes.
I keep wanting to pick up Lee Strobel’s The Case for a Creator book. But I keep forgetting.
Back in the days I was still Christian I basicly beleived what Catzeyes said about days being years and such, but now: I don’t get how people would be able to know that. There’s nowwhere stated in the bible that God told the people hown it all happen’d.
Yeah, I always wondered what an omnipotent and omniscient being such as God would call a day. I’m guessing his perception of time would be…altered?
Guy dies and comes in Heaven. He asks God how long a day for him is. God says: A day is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years for me. Guy the asks if he could make a wish. God answered: Yes. Guy wishes 1000000000000000000 bucks. God says: You’ll get it in one month.
That’s how I think heaven will be.