It also doesn’t mean there can’t be raging homosexual leprechauns who travel across the universe raping anything that has an ass.
Better get ready to bend over.
Way to miss the point, champ.
edit: @trance
edit edit: apparently I missed an entire page or posted in the wrong thread.
What the hell makes you say it’s probable? There is no evidence or viable theory to support any of that.
You can’t just say, with no evidence, that we were created by SOMETHING. You can however, think about it logically and come to the conclusion that, in all likelihood, we weren’t created by ‘something’.
You’ve said sensible stuff until now. That’s just a silly, silly point. Probability is probability, if something happens, that doesn’t change the chance it had of happening.
Also, it was pure chance. The planet came together in such a way that it was such and such a distance and had just the right make up and atmosphere for these chemicals to get together and make sweet life. Then of course the numerous mutations along the way just happened to have variations in this part of the DNA that they it gave them a tiny advantage, etc, etc.
If it’s an unintended event, it’s chance, nothing else.
Do you not realize how amazingly gigantic this universe is? Do you not realize how many stars there are and how many of those stars have solar systems which contain planets that could sustain life?
That doesn’t mean it’s likely, or even possible.
Yet we are here.
Well the chance of evolution happening ever is 100% because it has already happened.
If you were making a prediction for something that has not yet happened then we can add a percent.
But probability is still not reliable in these sorts of things because there are too many variables.
It wasn’t pure chance that the planet came together this way. The acting force of gravity and many other things had some effect.
Also single celled organisms had billions of years to keep retrying over and over.
Think of it like this.
You have a lottery ticket. Every time the lottery numbers come up with a correct number listed on your ticket it keeps the number and retries again.
That is how evolution works.
And if that is how the lottery worked you would have an easy time winning.
Chance might be a word you can attribute to it but that word is heavily misunderstood.
People like to attribute that word to “no cause”. Like one day there were single celled organism then poof we have humans.
If you’re going to say it’s 100% because it happened, it would be 100% before it happened as well.
My main question regarding atheism and religion is: why do you care?
Why do you care that there’s people that believe in a deity? Why do you care that there are people who don’t believe in a deity? Why do you care whether there’s proof or not that there is a deity? How would the (in)existence of a deity change your life? What are you trying to accomplish when you’re arguing with people about the (in)existence of a deity?
For once I agree with Bolteh. Despite his Mac-lovingness he makes a very good point here; whether or not we believe in a G-d or not, we’re still going to live our life pretty much the same way (unless you are so religious that you dedicate your life to G-d, or so anti-religious that you dedicate your life in a suicide bombing at a local church).
Live and let live.
The reason I care about what people believe is because our actions are based on our beliefs.
And religion does have an agenda and tries to shove it down our throats.
Creationism tries to force it’s way into public schools.
I don’t what that unscientific crap in a science class so I fight to keep it out.
Or the religious motivation to ban gay marriage or keep gay couples from adopting.
Or how they are trying to make abortions illegal.
Or how the pope is turning Africa into an even worse place by banning condoms or any birth control products.
And in some places in America it is dangerous to even admit you are an atheist.
There have been people chased out of town because they were an atheist.
Atheists are the least trusted minority in America and there is something wrong about judging someone for what they are not.
Atheist = not theist
We usually don’t try to describe people by what they aren’t.
I mean do we have a word for someone who isn’t a plumber?
Hopefully America changes down the road and more people become tolerant.
Other countries laugh at the religious stupidity of america all time.
Just watch fox news, Glen Beck, and Bill O’ Reilly to see what I mean.
Actually, my point was that our human bodies are so fragile and inefficient it’s nothing short of miraculous that we survived long enough to say “oog”, which is counter-intuitive to natural evolution, and indicates there was design.
Actually our body has some good aspects.
One that you know of is our brain.
Another example is how we sweat through our pores.
This allows us to run for very long periods.
We could outrun a horse if the distance was long enough.
That made us good at hunting because we could just chase an animal until it got tired.
We also are a social speciescso we stayed in groups and helped each other out.
I don’t care. I do care, however, when that belief (or lack thereof) leads to the exclusion of others with the force of law; if your belief leads you to tell others that they can’t have something you have; that they’re somehow “immoral” and shouldn’t be allowed to do things others do simply because you believe them to be.
Take homosexuals as purely an example (and the most readily available one). In many cases, they are denied the right to adopt that straight people get, they are denied the right to legally marry the person of their choice like straight people can, they are denied visitation rights to their significant other in the hospital that straight people get, and the list goes on. And why are they denied those rights? For strictly religious reasons, according to many.
It is this theocratic mindset that TOO many religious people have which feels they can impose their morals on others and, if someone DARES to even question them, they act the victim of an obviously well-coordinated attack on the very foundations of the country and the religion itself.
That is what I have a problem with. I don’t give a flying flip if you believe you’ve got a singing dancing frog living in your house. If that singing, dancing frog leads you to infringe or impinge on others, then I’ll be on you quicker than you can say, “Hello mah baby.”
EDIT: As xkcd succinctly put it:
How does it indicate there was design? If we’re so fragile and inefficient, it’d surely be a pretty shit design.
Also, the human bodies anything but fragile. Considering it can cope with losing a few organs, and even regrow them in some cases, I’d say that’s pretty far from fragile. And inefficient? Aside from the brain which is amazingly efficient, there’s this thing called the thumb, wonderful addition, rather small, but it’s the reason you’re in a house typing on a keyboard. Considering that its down to the brain and two stick of bone and sinew that wiggle in a different way to the other sticks of bone and sinew, I’d say there’s got to be something right with us.
I think somewhere on another planet inhabited by life, there could be different versions of humans, 10 000 times stronger than us, made of different materials, maybe here we’re made mostly out of water because that’s where life started on earth…
Actually we are mostly made of nothing.
Our bodies are 90% empty space.
Just like how all atoms are.
Although when you think about our building blocks (atoms) it is amazing.
We came from exploding stars (supernovas).
Although one part of your body may be material from a different star compared to another part of the body.
I already know that, I mean out of the “something” it could be something else, right now we are all carbon based I think.
It’s an odd thing, your standard human. On the one hand we can recover from very serious injuries and operate normally with severe damage, yet compared to the machines we build to serve us we’re actually quite frail.
IMO Human as an animal: Quite good. Human as a machine: terrible.
Exactly. If I were to throw some goo in a pot and then hit it with some electricity, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t get such a fine result as us hoomans, so good job, universe.