Like I said no troll. De facto…
Reference: https://physics.about.com/b/2010/04/02/muslim-science.htm
well that’s interesting, maybe “some” of it is true but not all of it, maybe they’re not contributing to the world but am sure they contribute to their small society man, now let me tell you something, my country ranked no.1 in education compared to the other arab countries but still that got nothing to do with race or religion, just because they’re arabs and muslims doesn’t mean they’re ignorant and uneducated, most of the arab countries have very limited means therefore they cannot continue their studies etc…), and not every arab is rich like the ones you see in Hollywood movies. 
@Daniel :S
I’m confused as to the “answer” to my questions. Can you please elaborate?
okey Daniel here’s “one” of many
The Ozone layer is a protective ceiling to earth, PRECISELY mentioned in the Noble Quran 1400 years ago and confirmed by the Science Today!
The Nobel Quran Has Clearly said :-
Allah Almighty Said: “We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and inside their selves, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41;53)”
The verse of the Quran which says about the Ozone layer is below
21;32 وجعلنا السماء سقفا محفوظا وهم عن اياتها معرضون
“We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.” (Qur’an, 21;32).
The modern science has just realized a few years back that there is a layer called ozone layer and it protects the earth ,How could the Quran Predict that sky protects the people 1400 years ago without any modern scientific technologies .
most cultures of the time thought of the sky as a sort of “blanket” or “shield”. that’s the easiest way to describe something like that when you don’t understand it. i mean, what does it look like? the early greeks thought of the night sky as a sheet with little holes poked in it, through which light shone. the christians thought of the sky as “the firmament” which was a gigantic layer of water.
it doesn’t prove they knew about something as intrinsic as a layer of ozone that reflects large amounts of solar radiation. hell, the only reason it even related are because the words “sky” and “protective roof” are in there.
the thing about the earth being egg-shaped: many cultures believed the earth was round. or even that it was actually an egg (the hindis for instance). i mean, there’s only two shapes that really make sense when thinking about what the earth looks like: round or flat (aside from the norse’s batshit interpretation that the earth was a giant tree).
the greeks around the time of 5 BC were absolutely convinced the earth was round. Seleucus of Seleucia deduced the same sometime around 180 or 190 BC. indian and icelandic astronomers as well. in fact, during the middle ages, the idea of a spherical earth was pretty common among scientists.
a thought like that doesn’t prove the validity of the religion. hell, it may have even been symbolic for something. symbolism was all the rage back then.
aside from that: “…yet still they turn away from Our Signs”, it sounds like there’s some context here we’re missing.
Uermmmm, that denotes a “hard sky”, like a hard roof. The ozone layer is not “hard”. In fact, the “roof” (or “canopy”) could easily be broken (55:37, 69:16, etc) except by the grace of Allah. The ozone layer cannot be “broken” and come down on people (52:44).
This is evidence of taking historical knowledge (that was known at the time of the Quran’s writing such as rocks falling from the sky and most of the time burning up before they hit the Earth but not always) then attributing them to later discoveries. The fact that the “sky” was “raining down” on people is evidence of meteorites coming through the atmosphere.
you sure have a good thick heads
okey please read this and keep an open mind esp you Daniel cause I have a feeling that you’re being sarcastic in this whole thing.
https://www.islamawareness.net/Quran/amazing1.html
That page already starts out with a false assumption (that I would assume that “it’s a book from the desert”).
Also, I’m not trying to be sarcastic at all. I’m just trying to find evidence that the Quran knows about things that COULD NOT have been known about in the past.
You see, Shadi, I would love to believe in your religion and your deity just as any other religion or deity out there that shows evidence of their existence. I want to believe, as the poster says.
Why do I always get so much static all the time when I even question someone? I’m very confused.
good to hear, but that page you mentioned is more directed to the Aggressive-anti-Islam Types, but still take your time and read
cognitive dissonance.
men like seleucus of seleucia came to their deductions via reasoning. his was regarding the changing of the tides. when you have a religious book supposedly explaining scientific things, there is no reasoning, and often times people interpret the meaning in order to back up their ideas. science works the other way.
like daniel said, the passage appears to be an explanation of meteorites, not a scientific thesis postulating the idea of a chemical layer which reflects ultraviolet radiation.
Your page says that we “non-Muslims” should challenge Islam to find a mistake. Yet, when I even question it, I’m attacked as having ulterior motives. This isn’t very conducive to furthering the discussion.
There’s a mayor problem I see here. There are many books you can read with different views. If an atheist reads the qur’an and never had any other education around islam he reads the qur’an on his way. Sometimes he starts reading it in a neutral view. It doesn’t have to be an atheist. You can repeat this problem on every higher form of literature.
Another thing. The qur’an contains a lot of metaphors which can be interpreted in many ways.
Eg. From our knowledge of the sky we know that the ozone layer and the earths magnetic field covers us from radiation and stuff. The element of cover is why a roof was used as a metaphor.
Sure the roof is hard and the sky isn’t but that’s not the point at all.
You can challenge Islam to find mistakes but what you will always find will be the mistakes that come from the people themself. See: Shadi didn’t get you right so he said something wrong.
So what are you saying, KK? That I have to believe before I’ll believe? In relation to the Quran, does that mean that it can mean anything so it can never be contradictory because there’s always an “out”?
I’m confused. Can you let me know what you mean because you’re not making it sound very credible right now. Thanks!
No you don’t have to believe before you believe. You have to learn. The qur’an was written in a way that it can be used for the time until the end of the earth. It deals with the main problems of humanity that will never change unless you do something against them. To achieve this it has to contain a lot more information between the lines than inside the lines themself. The qur’an can’t be contradictory because if there is contradiction between two interpretations you can’t accept them. You have to find a legitimate reason for one interpretation to be true. This is being done by people who have been studying islam for their whole life.
The video on the last page is a good example for how a wrong interpretation can look like. These two idiots spray out a obvious wrong interpretation of the qur’an that can be easily disproved by a good muslim. (That’s why they didn’t let the muslim on the phone speak out)
What do you mean with “out”?
So vague descriptions of observable things like the sky are evidence of scientific knowledge of things that couldn’t have been known?
I don’t see anything in that passage about the sky that has anything to do with the ozone layer.
^Come on. Go to vegas and lose some dollars. Then come back.
There are plenty of other past descriptions that were totally wrong.
Huh?
Here’s a totally different subject: When one faces Mecca, what direction does one face?
Remember, you’re on a planet, which is rounded. Any direction you go could eventually lead to Mecca. Conversely, any direction you face will have your back to Mecca as well. Is it the closer of the directions? What if you’re directly on the opposite side of the Earth…say, on Tematangi in French Polynesia? With the advent of space travel, now what?
I’m just curious how that works.
The rule is: The shortest way and direction to mekka that is possible!!!. If you’re on the exact opposite side on the earth (on the pacific ocean?) it doesn’t matter which one direction you choose. Allah is merciful and he won’t be much concerned if you miss mekka some for some degrees. If you’re in space or in a train or something it’s the same.
On the history of mekka: The big dark cube has been an important place even before islam existed. It was in a different way though. The religion in Mekka before Islam was cruel and people prayed to statues which were made by the people themself.(That is what atheist think of every religion, but we believe that ours isn’t) With the arrival of the Islam the statues and the old religion was banned from mekka.(I’m shortening things out a little bit). The cube has a meteor inside it which was one reason why it was considered holy before the time of Islam. In Islam the meteor has no meaning. The place does. It was the place where Mohammed first met Allah. So we pray to that direction.
Google earth or any other equipment like compass and map helps you out.