But seriously, I’m pro-choice.
A woman has a right to choose what to do with her body.
And it could spare the rest of humanity from certain abominations of man kind.
I agree. I was shocked at how civil these answers really have been.
A girlfriend of mine had 15 miscarrages and desperately wanted a baby. It took a few years and a waiting list before they finally were able to find a baby to adopt.
aw now that is a crying shame. =(
they can still treat a lil monkey like its a human baby. or like 100 cats
Friend of a friend of mine can’t get pregnant either (born without a uterus), so she and her husband decided to adopt. They started the procedure, 3 years on a waiting list, the adoption was all set to be successful by September/October this year.
Her husband left her last month. He instantly filed divorce and permanently terminated the adoption procedure.
Kind of a dickmove there. Girl must be going through all kinds of hell right now.
a lot of couples in america spend years waiting to adopt a (white) baby (americans suck)
This page is making me cry.
is that some kind of weird racist comment cuz i dont dig it
A woman has a right to control over her own body. There is no more moral implications of aborting a fetus than there is removing a tumor if one looks at it in a purely physiological context.
I see what you’re saying, and I do agree with you, but there is an important difference - regular tumors aren’t about to become self-aware. :hmph:
stuff thats going to happen doesnt matter if you stop it from happening.
… in the US.
Well, here I go again… Here in Brazil abortion is illegal, not matter when it is done. I don’t believe politicians are religious up to that point, but culturally this country is Christian - it is very rare to find someone on the street who isn’t - so politicians just won’t ruin their reputation purposing the legalization of the abortion. IIRC the only exception for abortion is if the girl’s health is at risk or if the baby is already dead.
Yeah, it sucks, religion shouldn’t be forced into anyone’s throat. Specially because the atheists here are generally younger people, the ones who suffer problems related to pregnancy.
In any case, abortion should not be overused. Abortion should definitely not be rushed, the mother-to-be should have one month or at least two weeks to think about it, the doctor should present all the options available, tell about the possible risks, and only then do it.
I saw a TV show (Law & Order SVU) a few weeks ago where the mother-to-be wanted to abort the child, but then an anti-abortion organization purposed to give the mother financial support during the pregnancy, and the baby would be given to the father once it was born. This option should be given to all the girls, it would even be much better than legalizing abortion. Having both could be even better, or not.
Well, I kinda agree with you, but rushing into something is almost never a good choice, specially for something like this.
Well, the idea is not to input guiltiness, just to offer an alternative. If it makes you feel better, the (hopefully impartial) doctor could present this choice when it is explaining the possibilities and consequences to the pregnant woman, not by some angry crazy religious crowd shouting in front of your house.
Well, this might sound strange for something coming from a graduated mathematician, but many times feelings are very important in decision making. Without it, you mostly ignore many possibilities and rush into your decisions. If you feel bad about doing something you will think much harder whether or not there is a better option.
If the mother is having a hard time to give the child away at the end, she might as well regret the abortion and carry some sequel (like the impossibility to get pregnant again) for the rest of her life. The difference is that in the first case she still has an option at the end, an option that she had time to put thought into.
Being able to control your stress and make a decision under a difficult situation is necessary, I would say, in life. But you are right about how bad it is to give the girl an option only at the end, I didn’t think about that, so having both choices would be better. A girl that is too afraid to make a choice at the end isn’t prepared to have a baby anyway.
Personally I find abortion being used as a contraceptive as wrong, purely because it promotes recklessness, and there are better contraceptives, which pose less of a risk to the ladies. As well as preventing other nasties getting passed round. I know I’m a guy and I will never fully understand the woman’s point of view, but aborting a baby because you couldn’t be bothered to get him to use a condom/go on the pill is wrong. Before the shitstorm from people missing the point from my post, I will clarify, I mean only in the cases where abortion is used instead of conventional contraception.
Personally if my own little lady got pregnant, and there were no medical reasons to get an abortion, I’d prefer she didn’t. Of course I’d support the child and what not. (Shotgun wedding FTW!)
mental2k: What’s your opinion on if the woman didn’t intend to get pregnant at all (i.e., rape, the guy said he had a vasectomy, etc)?
I’m not sure, I guess that if the situation has been thought through by the woman, she’s been through the options with a doc or counselor and she’s sure thats what she wants then I have no real issue I guess. It strikes me as something which could be quite traumatic for a woman, and probably something that shouldn’t be rushed in to. (Well within reason). At the end of the day it’s the lady’s choice, as long as it’s the best option for her.
Does that make any sense?
I guess I knew less about the physical point of view than I thought, so that issue I should leave for the doctors 
Things like that unfortunately happens, but a biased doctor will already judge and push his opinions regardless, while an unbiased one could easily present this option in a nice way. I would be already happy if the option exist, though, even if the doctor is not legally or morally obligated to present it.
I’ll give that one to you.
I find it very odd you saying that women should have the choice while you could not exist if your mother had used that choice. I know that I wouldn’t like if my mother had that choice, although I wasn’t unwanted and didn’t ruin her life.
It might be uncommon there, but not here, specially since abortion is illegal. Even if it is rare, in the rare cases the price being paid is too high, at least in my opinion. It is like betting in an evil lottery. Surely it should be the girl’s option whether to take that risk or not, but that is exactly why I believe that alternatives should be presented to the girl. If it is her choice to take that risk, it should also be her right not to take it, even in the cases where she can’t afford it.
Don’t worry, I’m not afraid of text 
You’ve already answered your own point.
My point is that alternatives are even more necessary in this case where abortion is specially dangerous. In many poorer countries it will probably be dangerous no matter if it is legal or not.
Legalization of abortion is not always a possible choice. In my country, it is going to be illegal for a long time, perhaps even during my entire lifetime (and I am still 23). Not even an enormous group of politicians with the best intentions would be able to change this due to the population’s culture. But financial support for mothers-to-be would increase the popularity of the politician who presents it (even a bad one), so it is much nearer reality. And, in my opinion, the benefit would be greater with the second possibility than with the first one only.
But that is just my opinion, and the opinions which really matter are the opinions from the girls that don’t have conditions to be pregnant, so it is lame that abortion is not going to be legalized.