Pro-lifers should have more faith in humanity.
Abortion is very taxing psychologically. A woman is only going to even want abortion if there are good enough reasons.
Let them decide what’s right, and stop legally shoving your beliefs down our throats.
Obviously there are too many factors in this scenario to be a valid point for argument. For example: the embryos would not “feel” the agony of dying in a fire, and the newborn baby would; we do not know if all of those embryos (or more than one, to be precise) would grow older or equally as old as the girl, or if they would remain embryos forever.
That’s not true in all situations. In fact, I have many very good friends who have aborted their children without a second’s thought, and had no visible negative psychological affects (even to their very good friends). Now they could be hiding it, but that’s a whole other discussion.
Then how can anybody claim it is murder if the embryos aren’t able to “feel” like the girl is?
What about people who have Hereditary Sensory Autonomic Neuropathy? Some of them can’t “feel” pain like the girl in the scenario would. Would it be considered murder with them?
I have to agree with dillxn here. Call me cynical, but I don’t believe that every single woman would carefully consider her situation. I would like to believe that, but that’s really idealistic.
and legally shoving beliefs down your throat? Last time I checked, abortion was legal.
I don’t mean to use such a non-neutral words like “children,” these things escape my mental word processing too often.
But, it’s hard to say. I think there’s a law about abortions not being legal after the first-trimester or something. So it’s a matter of whether or not that 12 week fetus is considered a “child.”
And of course there’s the early zygote and undifferentiated cells really early on in the pregnancy, which some believe are “children,” but at that time, are truly just undifferentiated cells. The morning after pill usually aborts that fertilized zygote. I think this is what you were getting at.
But I personally don’t see how a blastocyst or a bundle of undifferentiated embryonic cells would be much different than the initial zygote stage, and I’ve honestly never personally seen much significance in that particular bundle of cells ethically. I don’t think you can technically define that as a human life.
Then there’s the dilemma where your religious folks bring up their belief of when “life” begins. A lot of religious persons think life begins at conception, while more scientifically oriented folks like myself tend to associate [human]life with specialized functioning cells and neurological development, stuff you don’t until after the first three weeks of fetal development.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
(Information of fetal development via the U.S. National Library of Medicine)
Good point, I’ve met a few women who’ve definitely suffered greatly psychological from aborting pregnancies, but I’ve met others that didn’t think it over much at all. And the APA’s research shows women who’ve had abortions are at no greater risk for mental health issues, considering the possibilities and variables.
https://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/mental-health.pdf
(A study by the American Psychological Association on mental health and abortion)
Well obviously doctors give feedback and guidance in the matter.
And sorry, didn’t mean that to come off as harsh as it did. I guess I should have said trying to shove, or something, and it wasn’t really aimed at anyone in particular.
What a fascinating thread. I’m gladdened that the responses have been so calm as well. Must be the wrong forum…
Ahem. I’m happy with how abortion is handled currently, in that women have the choice, but are unable to have an abortion after a certain stage of development.
In my book, the morning after pill is such an insignificant act that it shouldn’t be listed alongside abortions in the later term.
Abortion is a last resort for those that know they won’t be good parents (like myself), for those that know they don’t have the means to support a child, for those that were impregnated against their will, for those that had protected intercourse to no avail.
Aborting a pregnancy will, in a lot of cases, prevent a much worse scenario in the future.
I for one can already think of at least 10 “cases” in which an abortion would’ve been the best option.
Not to mention in some cases it is a matter of medical recommendation. Under certain circumstances it can be dangerous to the mother if a fetus is brought to term.
I’m fine with abortion as long as there is a good enough reason as opposed to “I just don’t want one” or “I have too many kids already”.
tbh, those are perfect reasons to abort a pregnancy. If they don’t want one, or can’t support another one or whatever, then they shouldn’t put a new life on this world with the sole purpose of letting it have a horrible life (provided it lives long enough to live its life).
I imagine that’s what adoption is for. Someone who doesn’t want one can get rid of it, someone who does want one gets one, 2 birds with one stone.
By good reasons I mean stuff like the mother not being able to survive the pregnancy, rape victims, the child being born badly deformed or brain dead or the mother having psychological problems to the point of pregnancy or child birth being utterly unbearable.
Again though that’s not really a fair thing to say, because bringing a child to full term changes a woman’s body, and in some cases causes significant damage.
Now I know the argument exists that, maybe they should take responsibility for getting pregnant then. Well that is assuming that it isn’t a result of failed birth control, or that it was a choice she was able to make. Many times it is young girls who aren’t exactly fully qualified to make decisions, the reality of the situation they get themselves into is difficult to comprehend when you are in your teens ( as an example ).
Indeed. And if someone wants to terminate a pregnancy for reasons that wouldn’t be acceptable to some, it’s really the mother’s decision, as you should respect her views, as long as proper guidance and counselling is provided.
I have mixed feelings about abortion: on the one hand, I’m catholic and agree with the church on the sanctity of human life and how abortion is ultimately killing. on the other hand, I respect and understand the fact that many women get pregnant in very difficult circumstances (e.g. rape, incest etc). so I’m not definitely pro or anti-abortion really.
I have to say, I’m rather surprised that this thread hasn’t already disintegrated into name-calling and trolls.
As for the argument? In my opinion, an embryo isn’t a child until it can live outside of the mother without complications. I like how abortions are now, being left up to the mother, but not being allowed after a certain period. I also don’t agree with abortion being used as birth control, though I’m not really convinced that happens that often; I’d rather it be used in situations where the mother is at risk, the child is a result of a rape, or if the child is conserved too late in the mothers life.
And though it is true that a decent amount of teenage girls get abortions, I think that some of you are underestimating how much they think about it before they get one. I have had a great number of friends that have been very concerned they were pregnant, including myself, and had to consider what we would do if we were. It is stressful and if you really think about your decision to abort you can start to feel really terrible. That doesn’t mean that all girls are like this, I’m sure many aren’t, but don’t just assume that people won’t think about it.
Personally, I don’t think males should have any part in the legislation. We can empathise, sure, but only to an extent.
I am pro-falcon punch
Abortion ftw.
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