Maybe, you’ll need to live to the next millennium though.
I wouldn’t understand either, but it’s a fact of life. What really should be done is better policing of ammunition, etc. by the parents and owners. While there’s those who will buy a firearm for the specific purpose to cause harm to others, that doesn’t mean that people should suffer the consequences of one nut job slipping through the cracks.
That said, those of us who DO own firearms, be sure to keep track of it and its ammunition.
Now people are going after the Mass Effect facebook page because apparently the killer liked it.
Why can’t people just get their sense of justice by donating to the family of the victims or something?
Because they enjoy bashing since it’s ridiculously easy.
Now IS the time to talk about gun control. If we’re not going to talk about it now, when do we get to talk about it?
It’s been 3 days since the Portland mall shooting.
It’s been 132 days since the shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.
It’s been 148 days since the Aurora shooting.
It’s been 707 days since the Arizona shooting.
It’s been 2070 days since the Virginia Tech shooting.
It’s been 4988 days since since the Columbine shooting.
Can we talk about those shootings now? Or are we going to keep burying our heads in the sand and not do anything about them before there’s a new one?
I don’t even know much about gun control but for most firearms (pistols mostly) don’t you have to do a background check and everything? Of course that’s not going to catch anything for people who haven’t committed anything yet. Maybe some kind of psychological exam if there’s not one already but even that might not really help anything. People advocating for more gun control? What exactly do you think being implemented would help?
I’m not saying that I have the solutions or the answers. I’m just saying that the way it is now is really fucked up and people have to stop acting as if there wasn’t any problem with current gun regulations.
The U.S. gun homicide rate is vastly higher than that of any other developed nation in the world. I don’t think that the fact that there’s non-existent gun control is a mere coincidence.
They have been talked about here, ad nauseum. A lot of it was wiped though since the forum reset. Just out of curiosity though, how much time did you devote to calculating those day figures for the other shootings?
At any rate, something tells me the discussion will be had whether I like it or not. It’s happening everywhere now anyway.
Besides, why isn’t anyone talking about anti-depressants and their connections to Columbine/Virginia Tech/ what have you? There is a very wide variety of topics when it comes to the sociological connections to “antisocial behavior.” (On that note, I hope we all call it what it actually is: “People going bat fuck crazy and killing other people,” because “antisocial” is such a clinical and inappropriate word for such things.)
A background check would not have prevented the killer from obtaining the guns.
The rifle was legally owned by his mother. A psychological checkup would have cleared her, but failed to pick up on her son’s illness.
In this case, it was the mother’s responsibility to assess the situation and keep him from obtaining the rifle which she owned. She failed to do that, and paid the consequences, and now 26 other victims and their families are suffering for it.
And she may have been a very well-intentioned human being. But failure to act appropriately in a real-life situation and highly situational lapses of judgment are things that cannot be objectively measured until they happen… and by then it would be too late.
My opinion is that there is no feasible way to have prevented the killings through law. It would have happened either way. A killer will always find a weapon. Restricting access to firearms would not change the fact that people were going to die (although it would change a lot of other things… but I won’t get into that just yet). I just heard of a mass-knifing in China a while ago, no firearms involved.
Guns are not to blame in this situation. What is clearly to blame here is whatever poor quality of life that the man suffered which drove him to commit such a horrible act. The fact that he took his own life shows that he did not care for the glory. It was an intensely personal act. Secondly, his mother either could not or would not successfully understand his situation. Had his mother done her duty as legal owner of the firearm, and kept it out of his reach, many people could have been saved. Lapses in judgment can be deadly.
You’re saying there’s a lack of gun control. You have to be a certain age to buy one, you have to have a background check, you have to wait a certain number of days. That’s all for pistols. Maybe apply it to things like rifles and shotguns but your gun regulations in other countries is outright banning them for the most part. If the mother buys it for her son and she’s the one that goes through all this there’s no way to really catch something like that. I agree with the person saying it was the mother’s responsibility. You don’t ban alcohol because of drunk drivers and you don’t ban cars either. Would it help? Sure. But it’s not going to happen and I don’t think it should either.
dky, sometimes there just isn’t a reason. That’s the problem. To quote the Dark Knight at a potentially inappropriate time, “some men just want to watch the world burn.”
He didn’t want to watch the world burn. He killed his own mother, and then killed himself. It was obviously an intensely personal thing. Full of anger and emotion. It was driven by something. It could have been avoided. But not through gun control. It just doesn’t match up with the situation.
Why did he shoot the kids though? I wouldn’t think they’d have been any problem for him to get to his mom.
Take out his anger on them. When you are driven by rage, sadness, and despair, you don’t exactly think rationally. You act on impulse.
We are all human beings, after all.
^ If anything, that’s the most disturbing implication out of them all. That the capacity for such a heinous act could theoretically exist inside anyone…
I think the problem here is that since shootings like this are a pretty regular occurrence (unfortunately), asking for us to punt the subject further down the line isn’t going to help, especially when that “line” it’s now sitting on is behind yet another tragedy that’ll happen in the future and now we can’t talk about it again, but talk about it later…until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time until another tragedy strikes and now we can’t talk about it again for a period of time…
Get the idea?
A car is not manufactured or intended for death. And the same goes for alcohol. A gun is meant to kill or destroy something. Firearms and -anything else- are not the same. They should not be discussed as if they were.
It should be as near as possible to an outright ban without going all the way. Regulations should be much more strict. Take for example, what they do in Japan (they have nearly eliminated gun deaths completely). You have to pass a battery of tests to just have an air rifle.
But I’m getting side tracked. My initial intention wasn’t making an argument for or against gun control. I was just saying that that discussion has to exist.
Every single time there’s a shooting people say that you shouldn’t discuss gun control laws until some time has passed. But that just ends with nothing at all being done to fix the problem and shooting becoming a bi-weekly event.
I think that another component that fuels this kind of acts is the seek of notoriety.
Fragile-minded people usually are pessimistic about themselves/their life, or just long, even for a moment only, to be on the spot, to have the attention of the others: so they find a way to demonstrate to the world that they exist through a spectacular act, something that will be (sadly) somehow remembered. And seeing the amount of attention that previous killings (Columbine, Aurora…) obtained form the media and the world, they might think: “hey, I could go for that too, at least the world will know that I exist”.
And the deadier and more spectacular the action, the higher the notoriety: it’s not important who you kill, but how many, and in which way you do it. A pursuit of fame.
Remember the crazy Norwegian with the sniper rifle?
I’m no psychologist nor I can go inside the shooters’ minds, but I think that this is an aspect that should be taken into consideration.
An accurate “gun ownership and gun homicides murder map of the world”, by The Guardian.
https://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jul/22/gun-ownership-homicides-map
innocent children are ALWAYS the best choice for sick minded individuals, may they rest in peace and may their families bear the loss they experienced, this mass-shooting hysteria has plagued the US a LOT recently, I don’t think banning guns would be a good solution, look at what happened in China a few days ago, a deranged man slashed school children with a knife, he didn’t need a GUN to do his crime
No one is saying “banning guns” and I wish that the discussion wouldn’t immediately be shut down by going to that extreme. It’s a straw man. Yes, there are those that say that there should be a 100% complete elimination of guns, however this is not what we’re talking about here, so, please, let’s cut out that kind of rhetoric.
As for the man in China who used a knife, you cannot compare the two. If I have to explain why, I’m really not sure what to tell you.
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