Tried to install osx on my laptop. Accidentally wiped the whole thing because the partition utility or whatever decided I wanted to erase my drive. Then because it burned wrong, it didn’t even finish installing.
you were doin it rong
I have a dedicated hdd to osx (its only 40gb) but since then I’ve resized it to 15gb and the rest is ubuntu
Yeah, I know I did it wrong…
Windows 7.
I think he was comparing the default software more than the fan created software.
I hate seeing where clueless Windows fanboys, always go straight to “PRICE of a Mac is too high”. The title states, “Windows 7 VS. OSX” which is the operating system. They both have their ups and downs. It’s up to the USER.
If you want to make it about Quality of the COMPUTER itself, then The Mac wins.
The batteries are constructed, and designed more efficiently.
The construction is way stronger, and more efficient. No cheap plastic. Made from strong aluminum.
They use nothing but highest quality parts.
If you want to compare a computer that is the same quality as a Mac, then the price will be about the same, or sometimes even more.
I use a MacBook Pro 17", never had any problems with it. And a Mac Pro, never had any problems with it.
I do have BootCamp installed on my Mac Pro, to run Steam(When Black Mesa comes out). And a PLC software from like 1997.
Euhm, you do realize you can build your own PC with equaly high quality components, do you?
If you want to upgrade your Mac than you’re limited because there are far less Mac components than PC components you can buy.
He’s mainly talking about laptops. For the most part i agree with him. I like the battery life and the build quality of a macbook.
The moment you go for high quality parts on a normal self-made PC, your price will skyrocket as well. It’ll still be less than a Mac, but it won’t be as cheap as you want to believe.
And it’s not because there’s less choice in components, that you’re limited. There’s enough choice in HDs, videocards, RAM modules, mainboards, blablabla… everything… Are there 20000 options like with PC? No, probably not, but are the 20000 options for PC all decent quality? I think not. It boils down to the same old principle of “you get what you pay for”. And sure, with Apple products you pay a 10-15% brand-fee, but you get some brilliant customer support and services along with a bit of hardware that pretty much “guarantees” you a worry free computer life (in terms of usage, that is).
Onwards to a good point that Drew raised. This thread was about Windows 7 vs. OS X. And if we look at prices for that, Microsoft just pales.
OS X Snow Leopard (Upgrade form Leopard): $29
(price from Apple)
OS X Leopard (Full): $180
(price from Amazon
Windows 7 Home (Upgrade from XP/Vista): $130
Windows 7 Professional (Upgrade from XP/Vista): $200
Windows 7 Ultimate (Upgrade from XP/Vista): $220
(prices from Microsoft)
Windows Vista Home Basic (Full): $100
Windows Vista Home Premium (Full): $180
Windows Vista Business (Full): $175
Windows Vista Ultimate (Full): $210
(prices from Amazon)
So, to run OS X Snow Leopard (all features), you pay a total of $209. If you want to run Windows 7, you’ll pay $230 for the feature-less shoddy version, or $430 for the ultimate fully enabled version.
And I just know someone will come in and say “but I don’t pay for Windows, I just download it”, good for you, but I can download OS X as well if I wanted to (but see the piracy thread for my stance on that).
Windows 7.
My school has OSX in the media and photography departments, and It’s good for that thing, but for some reason, the screens give me a headache, whilst others don’t.
Stop trying to BS numbers.
You don’t buy both Vista and the W7 upgrade, you get the full version alone, if you don’t already have vista. If you want snow leopard you have to buy both versions, but with windows you don’t.
Also, no one goes for the ‘featureless shoddy version’, because they go for the next one up, because it contains all the features that any standard would use, which is why they sell it on most desktop systems.
Windows 7 Home Premium (Full): $199.99
Windows 7 Professional (Full): $299.99
Windows 7 Ultimate (Full): $319.99
So, most users would go for the $200 version, not the $320 one.
Anyways, for the most part, the price of the OS isn’t an issue for most users, because they buy the system in store with it already pre-installed.
^this
And it seems like you’ve gone out of your way to find high prices
Anyway, just buy OEM (a copy of the full version of windows 7 that is meant to be used by retailers or by system builders), I saved around 40 dollars that way. I went on tigerdirect.com and they didn’t ask me to buy any hardware to go with it or anything. Installed just like a normal os. Same thing, way cheaper.
There’s a lot I’d beg to differ on about mac’s supposed super high quality and so on, but that is not what this thread is about, this is about their operating systems.
As far as I can see there is absolutely no point in a standard or gaming user buying anything but windows 7 Home edition.
Right now I am using my mom’s macbook (I’m only using it because my comptuer is a desktop and my room is cold as fuck). Whenever I go from using windows 7 to using osx it’s like I’ve lost several limbs. The os feels so crippled. Since switching to 7 I feel like I can’t live without aero snap. Anything else just feels so clunky. Jumplists too, they make things so easy quick and attractive. I would bet 10 dollars that not one of you mac fanboys has ever even used Windows 7. And I’ve just discovered today that ipod’s can’t work with more than one computer at once. How could you possibly say your ipod is better when you can only sync it with one computer? Now I’m sure one of you is gonna come back here with some work around, but I don’t want a work around. I want it to just work, I shouldn’t have to waste my time making it work. Me and all my Zune friends are constantly sharing music and videos, plugging our Zunes into other computers and transferring files with almost no effort. Even transferring files from one Zune directly to another wirelessly. About 80% of the stuff on my Zune is stuff my friend’s gave me. And, to tie all this into osx versus Windows 7, Zunes don’t run on macs, or at least not at all easily.
Sorry for the rant. Much of it is opinions, but you can’t say you disagree with my opinions unless you’ve actually used Windows 7.
You claim that none of us “mac fanboys” have used Windows 7. Well, based on your misinformed rant, you’ve never used an iPod. Because lo and behold, I can sync my iPod on anyone’s computer if I wanted too. Same for my brother’s older iPod, his is synced with both his PC and my Mac. And I don’t even need a work around for that, no third party software or “up-up-down-forward-A-B” code. It’s a standard option that you turn on and off on your iPod.
I have been using Windows 7 sporadically, though probably not enough to figure out everything in depth. So I can’t say whether I prefer Windows 7 over OSX or the other way around. But if I look at the new features of Windows 7, I see things that have been in OSX forever, but to come to the two things you mentioned: Aero Snap, OSX has exposé (something you can customize to work with mouse-in-corner, certain keys or just one key for all). And those jumplists… Sure, nice feature, but what does it improve, exactly? Say I want to go to one of my bookmarked sites in Firefox… Right now I open Firefox and click the bookmark… With jumplists, you… Open Firefox’ Jump List and click your bookmarked site… Two actions vs two actions. Sure it might be pretty and give you the idea of it being faster, but it isn’t. And that last bit brings us to the main problem of Microsoft throughout Vista and Windows 7. They just try too hard to keep up with all the fancies other OSs did (and hey, Apple does this as well), but they’re always a step behind, and often make things that aren’t needed at all (like those jumplists).
And the fact that Zunes only run on Windows is more of an issue of Microsoft being complete tits. iPods work just fine on Windows.
He’s referring to pulling music off the ipod. iPods sync only one way to prevent people sharing music, while Microsoft decided not to treat their customers like criminals in this case, and let them do what they want.
You can pull music off multiple computers, but you can’t move it back onto your own system without workarounds.
I don’t know much about expose, but from my understanding, it’s not really that similar to aero snap, so you can’t really compare it. Both nice features of two different OS’s.
The nic,e thing about jumplists is that it takes much less time to do said action. Yes, it is two actions (mouse over, mouse up a little bit and click), but it’s much more steamlined. You can use it outside of the program to get exactly where you want. Opening Firefox for example, mouse over, mouse up and click, one swift movement. Without this feature you click, wait for it to open, then click again. Not a big inconvenience, but a nice touch, and definitely not a useless feature. If you think it isn’t faster, try it out sometime with firefox closed, going to a bookmarked site.
Calling it useless is like calling spaces useless, not similar programs, but both neat little features that not everyone knows about. The people who take advantage of it use it, and it increases efficiency and such, but you can definitely live without it.
Yeah, OSX has some nice features, but it is definitely lacking in some areas (window management is a big one), and windows is the same, could use some tweaks, but a damn good OS.
If my brother wants a song I have on my iPod, he plugs in his iPod in my computer and syncs that one song to his iPod. Doesn’t sound any different than grabbing the mp3 and dragging it onto the device when it’s connecting to my computer.
But yea, people shouldn’t be sharing music. People should be being music. And there we have a main reason why Microsoft is so popular, they just make sure that punkass pirates have a free run for everything they do. Whereas Apple wants to go legal as much as possible (obviously because they have the biggest musicstore in the world, but still).
yes, iPods might suck for pirates, but pirates suck in general, so all is well.
:facepalm:
How about for those users who computers get wiped? Who is Apple to say that they can’t have their music back on their computer? It’s not about piracy, it’s about being unrestricted.
Also, edited my last post, check it out.
Not sure about you, but I back my important files up on an external HD, so if my computer gets wiped, I can still get my files from my external HD
And if you really want to, you can grab the music files directly from your iPod as well, since they’re stored in a hidden folder (just turn on “show hidden files and folders”). That’s how I got my library from home on the Windows machine here at work.
The ipod also indexes it’s music in a funny way, so you lose all your song data, such as the song name, artist, album, etc.
My point basically is, Apple puts unnecessary limitations on their stuff, and yes, there are workarounds, but this is the nice thing about windows, it lets you do what you want to do.
Another example?
The thing about having to activate your copy of itunes to play stuff bought from the store. Sure, they’ve unrestricted music now (before you could only burn it/have it on 5 devices/computers), but I know ipod games you still have to activate, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you had to activate for TV shows and movies too.
Well, while the actual files may have weird names in that iPod folder, the moment you load them into iTunes, all the song data (including cover art, etc) is loaded and the files are placed accordingly in the right artist folder, right album folder and under the correct filename (title of song).
I know it’s still a workaround, but it still works, and doesn’t really require any modding/hacking/third party software.
And I haven’t had to “activate” iTunes in the 2 and a half years I’ve had this Mac, so not sure what you’re talking about here.