They both fail, Debian ftw.
Oh yeah, and:
BeOS FTW!
Windows as beautiful and functional is now, is still not a stable system. And it won’t be. OSX is. Of course, you can make OSX crash, but it happenes 100 times less often, and requires very specific skills (you’d have to do god knows what at once i guess).
Find me an artist, producer, composer, sound engineer working on windows. Find me anyone performing on stage on windows. Noone risks using Microsoft system because it’s not reliable. You cant let yourself screw your performance because of stupid blue screen, right? (thats an example, windows of course can crash in many different ways) That’s why you will always find shinig white apple during any concert.
Mac’s are not cool because they’re expensive, elegant, have 4 fingers trackpad shortcuts and whatever. They are cool because you can work on them anywhere, live, and be sure they won’t let you down.
I recently bought Macbook Pro, and you know what? I still emulate Win 7 to do some things. But when it comes to live act, performing, OSX is the only solution. So, it’s easy to sum up. You play and do everyday normal things, buy PC with Windows. You do everyday normal things and need stable machine for music production or performing, buy Mac.
Win and OSX are very different. Each one of them is adressed to specific type of users.
^ What he said.
Now bring in the mass of Windows users that claim they’ve never had it crash, and the few times they used OSX, it crashed when looking at it.
Can exposee instantly resize windows? Can anything on osx resize a windows to half the screen without manually dragging it? I thought not. Also, jumplists have features such as pinning music, and steam has pinned games. I hate clutter on my comptuer. I despise it, I want everything to be as organized as possible. Jumplists give me that organization. On steam’s jumplist, I can go straight to friends, or to e my games, or I can go to my favorite pinned game, or a recent game. BTW the dock is a piece of shit.
I would disagree. I’ve been using Windows 7 since early release candidates. No failures of the OS itself at all. It would seem Microsoft made a serious effort to up the stability with this version, and so far I’d say they’ve succeeded.
Of course, I’m not debating that the Mac OS is unstable or anything. Just pointing out your flaw.
My ipod video must suck shit at indexing then.
Sorry, the word I was looking for was authorizing. Look it up.
Also, the “Windows is unstable” isn’t true at all. I haven’t had a single crash or lockup due to the OS, every program crash was due to it’s own stability, and I haven’t had a single BSOD (even if these are generally due to hardware).
Hate Eternal, signed to Metal Blade Records, which in the metal world is a very large record label.
Hate Eternal used an HP laptop for live drumming effects when I saw them live last year.
Lead singer/guitarist for Hate Eternal is also a Music Producer/Engineer for many metal bands.
And why yes, I have also seen a Mac being used as a drum machine/bass player live…and guess what? It crashed mid song.
Don’t act like Windows machines crash daily and anyone using them are walking on eggshells upon daily use., last time I had windows Blue Screen on me was when I used my “specific skills” to go into the registry with administrative powers and fuck it up. And guess what, I was back up and running within the time it takes to reboot.
Don’t be so naive.
Ok, I may have said it wrong. It’s not like it’s not stable at all. It’s just windows. And even now, when they improved it so much, it still can crash in typical win style. It’s just the nature of the system itself. I’ve been using 7 from early versions too, doing a lot of different things, and I must also admit I never managed to crash it completely.
On the other hand, let’s just say what crash means, because I get it in different way. For me, crash begins when sound stops. I’m a dj and a producer. Windows may be still on the run, but when theres no sound, im screwed. And that’s what I call the worst scenario. And it happens. Sure, system’s not dead, but my set in the club is completely ruined. Can you imagine going on a good party, having fun for 2,3 hours, and then hear really fast loop of one second fragment and then windows “BONG!” in the end? It would suck.
So if you play games, make graphics, 3d renders or anything with AUTO SAVE option, it doesn’t bother you if your system fail from time to time. But when there is something that needs to be presented live, you just can’t let your work be distrupted by anything.
I am not. I just see how things work on both systems. Mac’s smoother. You plug, you play. No drivers, no problems. It’s simplicity itself.
garthbartin. Turn off auto-sync and start managing songs manually… So you can… you know… have control over it.
And the windows resizing/minimizing/moving/halfscreensizing whatever has one purpose and one purpose only: to find your way around multiple open windows or get to the desktop fast and easy. And guess what! Expose does that. So yes, Expose has the same goal as Aero Snap, it just has a different approach to reach the goal (and a damn easy one if you ask me… Moving files across multiple windows in OSX takes 1-2 seconds, and I guess it’s the same with Windows 7 now. And that’s okay with me, it’s time for Microsoft to finally get their head out of their ass and start -thinking- about decent workflow on their OS. 7 is a very big step towards that.
And you should see my desktop. It has nothing on it apart from my mounted drives (which, right ow, is my HD, external HD, windows HD and DVD). All my “jumplists” are in the dock, in the form of stacks. I have a stack for my Adobe software, for my games, for my mediaplayers, to my downloaded files, to my documents, to my music… So as far as I can tell, the jumplists have the same goal as OSX’ stacks. Again with a different approach, but the goal is the same.
I just wish you would give OSX a proper try, just like how I give Windows a proper try. You obviously don’t know how to work with OSX, while you seem to have oceans of knowledge on how to work with Windows. Your lack of knowledge doesn’t make the OS shit.
I take it that it has been a while since you plugged anything into a windows machine.
I can’t remember the last time I had to actually go find a driver for something.
My point being with my post is, there are many reasons above “Windows is unstable for the computer illiertate” for using OSX for music production. Like the available software. Pro Tools for instance, much preferred on a Mac, even though it is available for Windows. Garage Band, which music personnel with low budgets enjoy using…OSX exclusive.
If you have any idea on what you are doing and use common sense, Windows wont crash unless you make it. If Windows is crashing there is a problem between the chair and the keyboard.
I gave OSX a proper try, it sux.
5 minutes ago on my brother’s PC (with Windows 7 since wednesday, apparently). Windows didn’t recognize it as a pre-amp, mic or anything at all… Kinda silly, since XP does :<
Windows 7 includes only new drivers, most of XP’s drivers were for old stuff that existed around the time of it’s release, but at least most XP and Vista drivers are compatible with 7.
Macbook=shit. I can give you reasons other than the os, but that is not the topic. If I close my mom’s laptop while watching a video from southparkstudios.com while using mozilla the browser crashes. And I don’t want to use safari because it is shit. Also, while using mozilla, the browser likes to randomly decide there is an error connecting with my modem, when other browsers and computer work fine. I have to turn airport off and then back on. Also, my dad has been using the same pc for 8 years now and the only times he ever has to “fix it” is when he becomes convinced he has a virus and it’s making his computer slow, but it’s really because his computer is so old.
And when a mac does crash, you don’t have the handy task manager. Instead
you have to use force quit, which pretty much only works when the program is responding.
Another thing, since using windows 7, the only crashes I have experienced have been while gaming (something osx does inarguably worse), and they were all minor things like a games not responding so I had to close them in task manager. It’s pretty much the same with windows xp. It may crash a little more, but it’s not nearly as bad as you mac fanboys love to tell everybody, especially computer-challenged people who don’t know better than to believe you.
The reason I think, from personal experience, and this may not be the case with you, that so many artists use macs is not because their more intuitive or more stable, but because
A) They don’t know shit about computers and can’t tell a good one from a bad one
B) It’s a fad (if you ask them why macs are better they can never give you a solid answer)
I can back this up with the fact that my mom is a mac artist and many of my mom’s friends are mac artists and half of them don’t even know how to copy/paste using right MB/control MB.
Yet another point, ipod touches tear through their battery life and take forever to charge.
The only reason Steve Jobs made iPods compatible with windows is because he knows almost no one uses osx.
Complete and utter bullshit. You go weeks without crashes of those types excluding games, and when games crash, you simply have to alt control delete end the task and start it up again. They just don’t do that, I really wonder what you’ve been doing to your computer to make it crash so often.
Summary: Windows only crashes when doing more advanced things or while gaming. Much of which are things osx dooesn’t even do, or at least not well. And osx crashes almost as often (excluding gaming-related crashes) as Windows.
garthbartin, just stop it already. You’re obviously someone who likes Windows, but pretty much everything you say as a downside to the computers or the OS, obviously shows that you just haven’t learned to turn of the windows-switch when you use OSX (if you ever used it, considering all the nonsense you’ve been spilling all over this thread).
Force Quit works just fine to close any application, no matter what it’s state is. All the applications run on a different layer than OSX, so OSX will -always- be able to shut down a process through Force Quit. And -even- if, for some reason, you don’t get to right-click the dock icon to force it, you can still alt-cmd-esc to get to a Force Quit window, much like Windows has, but it isn’t really needed in OSX.
The problem with Windows is that it suffers from its own popularity and compatibility. Most of the crashes that happen, happen because of a conflict between the OS and the vast army of hardware that it can use, or it crashes because of a conflict between the OS and a bit of outdated code that used to run just fine on older versions of Windows. Doing advanced tasks has nothing to do with it.
I’m not going to say that Macs don’t crash and that applications don’t lock up, because they do. I do get the infamous beachball (as infamous as the BSOD, I guess) on applications and some applications do give me the “not reacting” treatment at times, but those applications won’t affect anything else on the system. If I’m running Logic Pro + Soundbooth + iTunes + Guitar Pro (silence!), and Soundbooth locks up, the rest will keep on working without a slight hickup, without a single fart. Only way I’ll notice that the application locked up, is when I try to go there and it doesn’t work. But then I force it to quit, and it just quits, while I won’t hear or see any disruption in in the other applications. That is why it’s “safer” to use OSX for those kinds of things. That’s why Windows isn’t considered “stable” by a lot of people. And then it doesn’t matter of the hardware is slower or if there aren’t a lot of options to configure the computer. It works, it keeps working, and unless there’s something really serious going on, they won’t crash or fail on you.
My brother has a very very decent PC with Windows 7. Yesterday he was listening to Winamp while playing CoD:MW2, the game locked up, I didn’t even have to see it to know it locked up, because Winamp started stuttering when he was attempting to close MW2, it even stopped playing sound for a few seconds while shutting down the process. In the end he did get MW2 to shut down and Winamp didn’t crash and all was well after that, but it does show how Windows deals with that stuff: not so good. OSX handles those situations a lot better.
Again, OSX does not suck, Windows doesn’t suck. Both have their audience and both have their fans. Neither sucks monkeyballs. So it all comes down to preference. You may prefer Windows over OSX, and that’s fine, just don’t come in blowing the high trumpet and screaming that OSX sucks. Your lack of knowledge and blindness are no qualified arguments to claim that an OS sucks. So if anything, just say “I don’t like OSX, I think it sucks”, rather than “IT SUCKS RAAAAARGH”.
I’ll edit this post in a minute or so to post the specs of my brother’s PC so you can see it’s not a random piece of poo
Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2.39GHz
4GB 1066MHz DDR3
ATI Radeaon HD 3870 512MB
1TB 7200RPM ATA HD
Oh and about your airport-internet issue. My brother and I are in a network through a central hub that is connected to our modem. My brother often loses internet for a short period of time (minute or 2-3, sometimes he needs to reboot to get the internet back), while I keep on surfing without any issues. ZOH EMG GEEEEEEEEEE WINDOWZ R TEH SUQ WTF MAN WTTFTFTFTFTTFTF.
Except for the fact that Mac OS can’t run that game at all, and because MW2 was probably taking up most, if not all of his resources with Winamp playing in the background.
Exactly my point. I’ve been rendering HD movies through Final Cut Pro or After Effects/Premiere while playing WoW and listening to iTunes, WoW would run slow on it (seeing as the computer was rendering) and would sometimes lock up. Music never stopped, rendering didn’t go any slower, I just forced WoW to quit and all was well.
And that is what Windows can’t do, and that is what Vibez (and a lot of others) say that OSX is more stable.
Who are these “a lot of others”? From what I can tell, you two are the only ones who can’t extract OSX’s throbbing cock from your mouths.