Um. No. Apple is specifically rejecting them. And not just games.
I’m getting sooooooooo sick of you and other mac fanboys telling me I haven’t used mac/osx/some component of osx. For the last time, I HAVE!!!
Get that into your thick skulls. I’ve used Crossover games EXTENSIVELY. Benchmarks for games are raised (I can’t even play L4D on my mom’s macbook with every setting as low as possible), there are slow start ups, slow shutdowns, sometimes freezing shutting down, steam has some small irritating glitches, and worst of all, some games have some pretty severe glitches. For example, as I have said before, Half-Life 2 Episode 2 randomly replaces model’s textures with a black texture. The EP2 portal was a massive swirling black funnel. Fast Zombies? Big ugly black blobs. Fences? Black walls. The list goes on.
I was simply implying that Apple sucks at choosing the best hardware for their machines.
Funny, I could’ve sworn this debate was about Mac OS X and Windows 7. Not about the iPhone/iTouch and Flash. Find another example please, and one that’s actually on topic.
Well, you come across as ignorant enough to confuse us into think that you hadn’t.
I’ll show you how good the Orange Box looks on my laptop as soon as I get home today.
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I was attempting to illustrate that Apple restricts software companies from porting programs for Apple devices…
Actually, no. Apple contacted Valve about getting Steam and the HL-games on OSX, but Valve demanded some downright insane amount of money to this port. That story always reminded me of Dr. Evil and his “One hundred thousand billion trillion dollars!”. So Apple never got back to them (which is kinda gay, since it would attract quite a few people to Macs if they did that.
On the other hand, as long as Microsoft is keeping DirectX for themselves, proper gaming will be non-existing on Macs, because OpenGL just can’t cut it for gaming anymore (and not even the switch to OpenGL 3.0 will help them).
But again, if you’re an avid gamer, you just don’t buy a Mac. It’s pretty simple.
And about the workflow on Windows 7. Say you have a bunch of files on your desktop, and you have 5-6 windows open in Photoshop, and you want one of those files in the 4th window of Photoshop. In OSX I’ll press a key to get Exposé to reveal my desktop, I grab the file I need and drag it around, I press another key to get Exposé to unfold all the active windows of Photoshop and then just release it on the 4th window. On XP and Vista, something like that takes a hell of a lot longer. So how does 7 handle that scenario?
Also, about the window management in 7, you say that it’s useful to get windows take half the screensize and that you can order them as you want. But as I said before, the main goal for this is to allow you to give you an overview of what windows are open so you don’t get lost. While 7 fixes that problem by letting you resize and snap windows so you can organize them easily, OSX will do that through Exposé. Difference (as far as I can see it, at least) being that OSX allows for full screen applications and easy navigation by a single press of a key (or flick of a mouse if you got screen-hotspots active), while windows still gives you that cluttered feeling.
ehem
Step one: Click desktop button at bottom right, minimizes all windows. (or win+d)
Step two: Click and drag file to fourth window of photoshop in task bar.
Step three: ???
Step four: Profit
Well, in OSX, it’ll only take 2 seconds max.
Seeing as Photoshop doesn’t open 4 different tabs in the taskbar, you’ll have to press the “Show Desktop” button, grab the file on the desktop, drag it to the Photoshop tab, wait a second for it to open up, then drag it to the 4th window in Photoshop and release it (or wait another second, depending on whether you’re in full screen mode or not). It might not take much longer than OSX (thinking about 4-5 seconds), but it’s still longer, and thus OSX is more efficient at that task.
Or you could just press (win+d) again to instantly raise your windows back up while dragging. Still don’t see how it’s any slower than Mac. In fact you can do it in windows as fast as you can move your mouse as long as you’re not fucking retarded.
Win+D only flashes the icons for a split second, but doesn’t really pop up the Photoshop window again (on Vista atm). >_>
*Edit: It only seems to be doing that when Photoshop is the only active application in the taskbar.
Works fine for me on Win 7. and since that’s what we’re debating, I don’t care.
https://digg.com/apple/Valve_wanted_1m_Apple_to_port_Half_Life_to_OS_X
The digg link is now dead, but the title is still there.
To be honest, 1 million seems like a pretty solid price. It’d be a huge amount of work to port and develop the games for OSX, and so a large fee makes sense, but it’s large enough to say “fuck you apple, we’ll do what you say, but on our terms.”
Also, if apple really wanted gamers that badly, they’d make their own directx, but it’s just not a major focus of theirs.
Not really arguments there, just thoughts on the topic.
“Own version of DX” won’t change the fact that developers still have to adept and change to difference engines, even if the step between Microsoft’s and Apple’s DX will be smaller than DX vs OpenGL. Also, if Microsoft wants to keep DX for their own, they’ll do everything they can to stop Apple from creating a similar system.
There have been third party developers in the past that were making good progress on getting DX in OSX, but they all got squashed by the big guys. Apple might have the resources and funds to go against Microsoft, but when it comes to intellectual property, the only solution is licensing, and I very much doubt Microsoft will license their major selling point to Apple.
Actually I wish they had a mac version of steam chat.
There’s some people I know on steam that only use steam chat, and I’ve almost downloaded some of the crossover programs just so I can use it.
The problem of this “argue” lies in the title of the topic, instead of “Win 7 and OSX” its “vs.”, which preety much makes everyone compare everything instead of discussing it.
You guys still don’t get that both systems are designed for different things.
About Apple marketing. What would you do, if your company would make milions a day, and you’d have a lot of ideas in your head that people usually buy? I bet you would totally make your ideas live, just because you would like to be even more richer. It’s simple. Microsoft doesn’t need to advertise their products. 80% of the world pupulation uses windows and even if half of them is illegal microsoft’s happy. And I totally get them. Steve Job’s making pretty good damn money on his stuff and let him do so. Why do you care? It’s not like all of your friends will start using Macs on the next day right? Or maybe it’s about commercials? But hey, I really can’t believe that in the US there are so many Apple commercials on TV during the day that you can’t stand it.
And stop calling me (us) “mac fabois”. Ive been using windows since it’s “95” version and I still think it’s descent OS, especially 7 (which I use for every day work). I’m not defending Apple at all. iPod is the shittest music player ever created (how come music player in theese days doesn’t even have paremetric eq?) (itunes’s the same shit btw). I am (we are) defending good sides of OSX (cause it has A LOT of them), which you obviously don’t even want to see. That’s your choice folks.
As for me, I am now able to smoothly work with my syntesize software in any forms, live, without any problems. And you can’t deny it. Because that’s the fact. Try someday make some music, maybe you’ll understand me. Using computer is not just about gaming.
Well, about the EQ: it drains battery life like a motherfucker, that’s why most mediaplayers just don’t put it anymore.
If you’re interested, Steam runs out of the box with Winebottler. Just download it, select it to install as a pre-defined package and go. No mess.
Its not even that its slower for me, its just annoying. Cluttered desktops are the bane of my existence, especially on laptops with small(ish) screens. The ability to clear it all away and see what I have underneath the 10 windows I have open is invaluable.
Solution; windows 7. Pin important icons into the task bar and pin subicons on to their jumplists. Then make a folder on you dekstop labeled clutter and organize everything by type use and how often you use it.
My desktop:
Also, if you don’t like this solution, use stardock desktop fences, not really sure what it does, but it will organize your desktop.
They aren’t designed for different things. that’s just a myth that’s been repeated so many times people believe it. Tell me EXACTLY what is better. Also, iphoto is shit.
Actually they were designed for different things. Mac OS is for retarded/casual people that don’t really know how to use a computer, and that aren’t missing all the programs and other features that aren’t available and would only play solitaire on a PC anyway. That’s why their repair policy is “You’re too stupid to fix your computer, so whenever something goes wrong you won’t even know what it is because your computer won’t tell you. Just bring it in to our “geniuses” and we’ll fix it for a hefty fee!” Also some people use 2-3 mac only programs and have their heads up their asses.
Linux is for smart people who are poor/hackers, and windows is for everyone else.
Let’s try and come to a general conclusion. I’ll start off by saying the following:
Windows is a heavy weight champion boxer, a massive powerhouse that hits like a truck and can take punches very well. This type of boxer is the most popular amongst the population due to offering some heavy stuff.
OSX is a light weight champion boxer, a small agile little bugger that doesn’t hit hard, but can endure due to agility and flexibility. They dodge punches a lot, but when they get hit, they get hit good. This one generally puts on a visual show, but doesn’t really have the crowd behind it to back it up.
Linux is the WWE champion wrestler. It offers the illusion of being a good fighter, but in reality, it just doesn’t compete against anything.