No, I only eat a little meat at dinner, and regularly I eat vegetarian. And I tend to eat a lot.
Enjoy your life, then. It’ll be short and filled with disease.
Meat tastes good, and I don’t give a shit about fucking cows.
Stupid animals.
We’re animals. Enough of this pretentious bullshit. Eat the other less adapted creatures.
We don’t have to stand back and say “Ohhh, that is mean.”
The world is mean. The only difference is that we adapted to herd and kill other animals to eat.
“But the meat industry is terrible to animals!”
Do you realize how many little critters are slaughtered when grain is harvested? Besides, you are worried that cows are alive for the slaughter. Who gives a fuck? Do you have any idea how long a kill for, let’s say, a wolf lives before it finally dies? Again, we are animals. We shouldn’t have to hold ourselves to a higher standard because we have a larger cerebrum.
Seriously - have you people even bothered to read more than 2 posts before vomitting out your crap into this thread?
Vegetarianism isn’t about protecting the “poor” animals. It’s about preserving what’s left of our already ruined environment, so that more people (I gotta emphasize this for you: P E O P L E ! ! !) have a higher chance of survival in the future.
I don’t give a shit about cows and pigs and chickens being treated worse than Jews in Nazi Germany. What bothers me is the poisoning of our food and the wasting of our world wide fresh water supply for the production of some nice treat for a minority of relatively rich people in the western industrialized countries, while the majority of other people have to starve for the sake of some white half-baked scumbag getting his cheeseburger with french fries.
Why that bothers me? Because it has already backfired several times, and will do so much more frequently in the future, if we don’t start to think differently and begin treating our natural ressources and our environment as exactly what they are - the living space and supplies we depend on for our survival. That means everyone of us - no exceptions. If we fuck up this environment we live in - there is no place else to go. Nowhere to run to, baby. Nowhere to hide.
The starving people of the world are only gonna take so much longer being deprived of the food and water they need, whilst being given ample supplies of weapons and ammunition. Some time they will start to realize who their real enemies are. They will start to ask why the corn and crops grown on their homeland are used to feed cattle that is then used to feed dumbfuck Americans & Europeans, instead of being used to make bread for their own people.
We are living in Isengart, people. Question is, what is coming to destroy us sooner? The wood of Fangorn or the Riders of Rohan? (I am always in for weird analogies - figure that one out if you can).
Enjoy your meat. Hope it tastes really good.
MEAT!
Especially smoked horse meat between slices of whole wheat bread.
A++ would recommend
except that excessive animal suffering (stress on suffering) is also a factor for many people
Your entire post is not about the eating of meat, though. It’s about MASS PRODUCED MEAT PRODUCTION and OVERPOPULATION. You’re yelling at a symptom, not a cause.
What you’re basically saying here is that you don’t use electricity because of the way electricity is produced (large polluting industrial buildings) when there are other extremely clean and safe ways of producing electricity. And that using electricity of any sort means that you support the ruination of the planet for humans.
And that’s silly because you’re making a totally DIFFERENT argument than whether eating of meat itself is wrong or not. You can argue until the cows come home* about how it’s produced, but eating it is what is under discussion, not the production thereof.
*cwatididthar
That’s a good point. Kinda forgot that.
I’m just waiting till a creature like the one seen in Hitchhiker’s Guide is created, the one genetically programmed to desire to be eaten.
Poor analogy. Electricity is not a product which a) is commercially available in “green” and “not green” distributions, and b) is not a product which can be effortlessly substituted with a different, environmentally healthier product.
False on both accounts. Just because there isn’t an infrastructure currently available doesn’t mean that there can’t be. It took a long time for mass-production of meat to get to where it is today and an infrastructure to be constructed around it.
I think it’s a perfectly valid analogy.
Which is all part of eating meat, isn’t it?
Not everyone has access to “extremely clean and safe” meat, and in most cases, using meat does mean supporting the ruination of the planet for humans, to some extent.
Actually, the argument is that being a vegetarian is better than not being a vegetarian unless you have affordable access to meat that’s been produced in the right conditions. It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about doing what’s best for the environment, the animals, and the humans all around the world.
I don’t agree. If eating meat was ‘bad’, then it would be ‘bad’ no matter HOW it’s produced.
What I’m saying is that mass-production is the bad thing, not eating meat. Look at what has happened in the production of plant food. Farmers spray their crops with harmful pesticides to keep down on pests. These pesticides get into the water supply, harming humans.
By your argument, then, eating plants, because they can be produced recklessly without regard to environmental impact, must be wrong. And let’s not get into GMOs.
Yes, not everyone has access to “clean and safe” things for consumption. That doesn’t mean that the thing itself is ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’; it just means that we need to work harder at getting everyone access to “clean and safe” things.
A valid analogy would be to compare two things that are similar, not to compare two things that are not similar but could hypothetically become similar in the future if one of them is fundamentally changed.
I don’t think anyone is saying eating meat is “bad,” i think that they are saying an environmentally conscious diet is better than being blind to the fact that food production has consequences. And I think you agree with this, so stop arguing with straw men.
What I’m saying is that plant- and meat-eating have the same problems if we rely on stupid means of producing them. Electricity, too.
You’re singling out meat-eating when it’s not eating of meat at all. ANYTHING produced or managed stupidly will have hazardous effects on humans. Case in point: The Space Shuttle Challenger.
See, I don’t believe I’m arguing a straw man here; I think you are shifting blame. You’re blaming meat eaters for production problems. If you want to argue production of food, then please find a thread that debates THAT and not “vegetarian vs meat-eating”. Because there’s just as many problems with the mass-production of plants if they had to be produced in the quantities needed to sustain our lifestyle.
Another totally invalid analogy, for the exact same reasons. There is no easily available alternative means of space travel to riding in a shuttle, which is less hazardous. This is a thread about alternatives, so when you keep bringing up things that have no easy alternative, you aren’t making a valid point.
Unless you can cite one of my posts where I’m “blaming meat eaters” for anything, you are literally and very blatantly arguing with a straw man.
Okay, what straw man am I erecting? Please point to it. I can point to your straw man (food production) extremely easily.
I quoted it in the post you’re responding to. “you’re blaming meat eaters for production problems.”
Was it so long ago that you forgot that you posted this?
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You’ve been on this “mass production of meat” kick as a reason why you mostly eat non-meat products since the start of this thread. I say that the way meat is produced is irrelevant to the choice whether to eat meat or not because the production thereof is a different subject than the consumption thereof.
I am an omnivore, as nature intended. I also fight back against mass produced meat in factory farms (with animals stacked on top of each other, pumped full of antibiotics, and the entire kick you’re on). It’s not cognitive dissonance.