TF2 - Better performance with console commands?

[sersoft]

@Lamsey

So you think that, core for core, a Core 2 Duo is four times faster than any Athlon64 X2? I would love to see you prove that.

Also, the Athlon64 X2 was not one of the first ever dual core processors. I think you’ll find that companies like Sun can lay claim to that, not x86 manufacturers like Intel or AMD.

I am of course referring to the x86 architecture, sun doesn’t use it, no need to go any more offtopic.

Also, you continue to ignore my other post, I said that the athlon has poor performance compared to a core 2 duo, and you wanted to say I’m wrong, I understand, but I am only talking about performance based on single threaded applications like the source engine, if your program is designed to use two cores, both CPU’s have great performance.

@indeed

Most likely, it’s a software issue. I have 2 gigs of ram and can run Left4Dead, without a single slowdown, back when I was using a E2180! TF2 is very cpu intensive, but didn’t it receive a multicore patch, that doubled the framerates? I know Day of Defeat Source got one, TF2 got one and Counter Strike Source was again out of luck!
It’s defiantly a software issue! Maybe apply the dual core fix, that AMD made, if you don’t have it.

see what I mean? the E2180 is a core 2 duo chip (it’s called pentium, but you’ll find it uses an unmodified core2duo architecture) and runs at 2.0ghz, if you had an athlon64 running at 2.0 ghz, your performance would be alot lower.

Im talking about this because I’ve had an athlon64 PC before and all my apps ran slower than with my E2160, and I wanted to point it out before people start to suggest formatting or buying more ram, which is unnecessary.

[Lamsey]

@sersoft

I am of course referring to the x86 architecture, sun doesn’t use it, no need to go any more offtopic.

Also, you continue to ignore my other post, I said that the athlon has poor performance compared to a core 2 duo, and you wanted to say I’m wrong, I understand, but I am only talking about performance based on single threaded applications like the source engine, if your program is designed to use two cores, both CPU’s have great performance.

see what I mean? the E2180 is a core 2 duo chip (it’s called pentium, but you’ll find it uses an unmodified core2duo architecture) and runs at 2.0ghz, if you had an athlon64 running at 2.0 ghz, your performance would be alot lower.

I agree on the non-off-topic point, but to be honest… what the hell. Did you even read my post. You said an Athlon64 was four times slower than a Core 2 Duo. I’m still waiting for some numbers to back that up. Oh, and Sun does sell x86 chips - they actually make some of the fastest x86 servers available (trust me, I work for them).

You also seem to be confused about the relative clock-for-clock performance of the Athlon64 and Core 2 architectures. Core 2 is certainly faster for most tasks, but in general it’s not particularly noticeable in real-life usage, especially for gaming. Also, in terms of price/performance, you’ll find that you have to go quite far into the mid-to-high end before Intel really pulls out any lead over AMD.

Bottom line: please don’t spread FUD about stuff you don’t know enough about. And if you doubt my credentials in saying that, feel free to check out my degree results thread

On topic: I’d say that a RAM upgrade is in order. Even if it is a software config issue causing the slowdowns (which is possible), 1GB of RAM is just not enough these days for a gaming rig.

[sersoft]

Let’s make a bet, if he buys a new CPU with 1gb of ram his FPS will go twice faster.

You don’t need more ram when you’ve got vram on a geforce 8600GT

[Repzik]

@pfannkuchen_ges

my CPU usage says something else.
CPU0: 100%
CPU1: 7%

You have Norton? Any other terrible security system?

[Tenshi07]

You could always buy the kinda cpu that I’ve got (if you have the money to burn that is). You’ll have so much ghz to spare, and the speed is amazing, you won’t even care anymore.

[Siggs]

@Some guy you don't know

Some people come onto the server complaining about lag when in fact it’s more times than none their own machine causing the problems or the wrong settings.

I’ve found that if i set my cl_cmdrate 66 in the console it runs perfect even when the server is busy so if anyone ever complains just tell them to do this.

@Some guy you don't know

Hi All,

Here are useful Links for tweaking your TF2 Performance.

I have used some of these myself.

https://www.fpsbanana.com/tuts/6903

https://www.overclock.net/pc-games/422751-tutorial-tweaking-tf2-guide.html

https://www.fpsbanana.com/tuts/5790

Anyone knows any other links, please post them

@Some gy you don't know

Hey there. Do you have a good Pc that’s too good for TF2. Don’t think your getting the amount of graphics your PC deserves? Well put this in your autoexec config file for better graphics

[code]mat_picmip -10
mp_usehwmmodels 1
mp_usehwmvcds 1
cl_new_impact_effects 1
cl_burninggibs 1
mat_motion_blur_forward_enabled 1
mat_motion_blur_strength 2
mat_specular 1
r_lod 0

echo *****************************
echo * HIGH DETAIL CONFIG LOADED *
echo *****************************

mat_dxlevel 98

echo ******************
echo * dx Level Maxed *
echo ******************[/code]

What they do:

1. Sets the highest graphics. mat_picmip -4 is what very high is.
2. Uses the “Meet The” video models.
3. Uses the “Meet The” video animations.
5. Means that you can see gibs on fire.
6. New motion effects.

10.Sets the directx level to the highest source can handle.

I forgot what the other do.

EDIT: crap, you need to be signed in. hold on.

[pfannkuchen_gesicht]

@Repzik

You have Norton? Any other terrible security system?

no, why?

EDIT:
@sersoft:
you would loose, cause a CPU needs enough RAM to work with, without it, it’s slow like a snail.

[KernCore]

@Siggs

Here are useful Links for tweaking your TF2 Performance.

I have used some of these myself.

https://www.fpsbanana.com/tuts/6903

https://www.overclock.net/pc-games/42…tf2-guide.html

https://www.fpsbanana.com/tuts/5790

Anyone knows any other links, please post them

Many thanks to the first link! That’s what I’m searching for!

[Siggs]

Cool, glad to help
.

[sersoft]

@pfannkuchen_ges

no, why?

EDIT:
@sersoft:
you would loose, cause a CPU needs enough RAM to work with, without it, it’s slow like a snail.

Have you ever tried a core 2 duo running xp with 1gb of ram? It’s still fast as hell.

[Lamsey]

Depends on what you’re running. If you reach the point where there simply isn’t enough RAM available to store everything you’re currently doing (and if it’s 1GB of RAM, that’s with most recent games), then your performance drops through the floor because you’re now essentially using a hard disc for memory storage with a small RAM-based cache.

[Repzik]

@pfannkuchen_ges

no, why?

EDIT:
@sersoft:
you would loose, cause a CPU needs enough RAM to work with, without it, it’s slow like a snail.

Security systems like Norton tend to eat up Paged Pool Memory, causing framerate drops, crashes, etc.

[NavMan]

Maybe turn down the physics level? I don’t even remember if Source has an option for that, but it would make sense if its slowing down during explosions etc.

[The_Minotaur]

@NavMan

Maybe turn down the physics level? I don’t even remember if Source has an option for that, but it would make sense if its slowing down during explosions etc.

One, no it doesn’t, you can slow down time (i.e. the whole game) but not just the physics.
Also, team fortress is a multiplayer game, if you turned down the physics level (or time), then it would have to slow down for everyone. And that wouldn’t be any good.

[MaxTheLimit]

Throwing a bit of input on here, I think the problem is likely the CPU, but it COULD be the memory if it is slower, with lose timings. If it’s DDR2533 memory with very lose timings things may be slowing down because the ram cannot keep up.
TF2 on a recent patch is now able to utilize multiple cores.
However in a game online with 32 players and a lot going on, even some mid range CPUs will chug.
Clock for clock AMD CPUs do not perform to the level of the Core2 architecture. Even the new phenom2s (which are decent offerings) do not match up clock for clock with the performance of the Core2 lineup, let alone the Corei7, or the upcoming Corei5.
Matching clocks on the AMD x2 CPUs with the Core2 dual core CPUs in a direct clock for clock competition will almost always result in the core2 CPU winning by a large margin. The one instance where this has proved untrue is applications that take advantage of the X2 and it’s integrated memory controller. However in real world applications this is never the case.

[OldDirtyBastard]

Best thing to do is run it in a window 800x600 so you can get graphix and framerates.
But 1gb is FFFUUUU for TF2.

I remember today… when I got behind Lamsey’s back as a Spy… I clicked to stab…and the damn thing FROZE.
Though I got my backstab anyway xD

[Level]

Not a better performance tweak, but something nifty. The texture resolution goes much, much higher then the ‘very high’ in game setting.
Use the ‘picmip’ command to change it. Low resolution has a ‘picmip 10’ or something along those lines, and very high has ‘picmip -1’. So, the range is from 10 to -10, where -10 is the highest setting.
To make it higher resolution, just set it higher to -1, I usually go with -5 because I can max my settings and still get a very high frame rate. If you’re getting over 100 fps, you may as well use this to make your game look better without losing any visible frame rate.

[sersoft]

@Level

Not a better performance tweak, but something nifty. The texture resolution goes much, much higher then the ‘very high’ in game setting.
Use the ‘picmip’ command to change it. Low resolution has a ‘picmip 10’ or something along those lines, and very high has ‘picmip -1’. So, the range is from 10 to -10, where -10 is the highest setting.
To make it higher resolution, just set it higher to -1, I usually go with -5 because I can max my settings and still get a very high frame rate. If you’re getting over 100 fps, you may as well use this to make your game look better without losing any visible frame rate.

Does this work for CS? I’d like some sprays to be of better quality.

[Level]

I don’t think so. I’ve only seen it work with the updated orange box engine. TF2, Portal, Ep2…

[MaxTheLimit]

I was unaware of this little tweak. I would like to see a side by side comparison of textures with this applied (can’t test it this week). Until then I will remain skeptical about the visual increase this provides.