It doesn’t look to me like they’re trying to deny that they’re stealing. That’s been a given since the beginning.
More, it looks like they’re trying to prove somehow that stealing isn’t wrong. THAT’S what their “far out logic” is all about.
And that’s bloody concerning.
Enter Sersoft stage left
Dude, seriously. There are OTHER REASONS for using torrents. It’s people like you who put down such a streamlined method for downloading. While I hate that so many torrents these days are illegal, sometimes we don’t have a choice! There are things on the internet you can’t find using Google, and when that happens I check TPB. For example, I had no choice but to get a copy of Windows 3.1 off of TPB for a school project, since (a.) nobody sells it anymore and (b.) I couldn’t find it ANYWHERE at nearby thrift stores, vintage shops or computer shops. Stop overreacting and calling people who torrent deadbeat jackasses, will ya? Christ. And yes, I realize you said “piracy” and not “torrenting”, but seriously. This is the internet. People most likely won’t take your thoughts to heart, and if they do they’re probably not the kind of people you want to.
It already has been locked 
Whenever a person says that “They don’t have an option so they pirate it” is lying. You have an option, wait until you do have money.
I wouldn’t steal a car, buy hey id download one if i could!
Nah but seriously piracy is pretty lame sometimes, Im all for supporting the Dev’s but it does have its uses. For example downloading banned games in Australia doesn’t really do any harm, not like i can buy it anyway or play it online for that matter.
I’d steal a car if I knew I wouldn’t get caught. I think half the people here would too, whether they’d admit it or not.
Thats a good point, who here (that can drive) can honestly say they have never broken the law, ever. like going 1km/h over the speed limit is against the law and you can be fined. If we were all convicted of everything we have ever done, we would all be broke anyway. 
it’s irrelevent. stealing a car is in no way analogous to copying a music file and it’s stupid to compare them
Yeah but it’s a comparison a lot of people make, not realizing that fuck yeah, I WOULD download a car.
I think some of you guys are confusing piracy with stealing. They’re close in the concept of them (you take something illegally), but they’re different in that stealing involves taking away a physical item that cannot be replaced easily/without cost, while piracy is taking a copy of something.
For example, stealing would be going into an art gallery (that they charge you to get in, I suppose, to make the metaphor fair) and taking a painting. Piracy would be taking a picture of the painting that they charged you to look at, and taking it with you for personal use, with you probably showing it to your friends, or something. If you just take the actual painting, the artist has lost it, and can’t get it back, and can’t easily make it again. If you take a picture/copy of it (A.K.A. piracy) and show it to your friends, the only thing he could have lost is sales for admission to the gallery, and even then there’s a pretty good chance that your friends would have never came to it–or even known about it–beforehand.
Sure, they’re both wrong, but don’t think that they’re the same. Piracy =/= stealing.
Oh, and the only games that I’ve ‘illegally’ downloaded were either old, or I had to download it because the anti-piracy features fucked up so I couldn’t use it (irony?).
Nah i think there still the same, most games that a pirated are from CD’s that have in fact been bought, but when you buy the game or whatever you sign a invisible contract that what your buying isn’t your property, except maybe the CD, but rather the Data is developers property and they are permanently lending it to you(which they actually have the right to refuse you for any reason, for example banning). So by putting it up on the internet you are stealing it from the Dev’s, just because its digital doesn’t mean it isn’t physical.
Look at this way, by downloading music or whatever your committing piracy as well as theft, they come hand in hand.
Actually yes, yes it does. Stealing a physical copy would be going into the store and taking a physical copy of the game. Nothing physical except you and your computer is directly involved in piracy.
Take a look at my later comment
“If I download a really obscure game I feel no guilt, I’ll try it out and then try my best to find a digital distribution service (a la Steam) and purchase it legally”
Yeah sorry looked it up, piracy is copying something that is patented and stealing is actually taking the thing.
I’m sorry but I can’t stand this.
Have fun ruining the industry guys, you’re doing a good job ruining my favorite platform, Ta-ta I shall leave you now since most of you have reached a point where reason is impossible.
Hurrah for Usenet =D
I typically download three things; games, TV shows and music.
I download TV shows because I don’t see why I should be penalised by waiting an extra 6 months for TV shows just because I live in Australia and not the US or the UK.
I download music and then buy it if I actually like it, since most of the stuff I listen to isn’t on the radio (and frankly, 30 seconds on iTunes doesn’t do Dream Theater justice).
I don’t try to defend download games on some high moral pedestal other than they’re damn expensive and I don’t have the money to buy every single game that I want to play. So I buy the awesome ones after the price goes down, and I shoot through the sub-par ones that I download off the internet. It may be illegal, but I rationalise it because I’m not downloading them instead of buying them; if I couldn’t download them I just wouldn’t play them at all.
But if I download a game when I would never buy it, how am I harming the industry? They would never get my money either way.
I agree with JohnKiller118 (btw nice Metal Gear Awesome pic 
) piracy is ILLEGAL! It has been proven that piracy is causing the fall of PC gaming. No one can justify piracy, by saying, “it’s not stealing if I’m not walking into a store and taking it”. So what if is not physical, it DOESN’T MATTER! Piracy is stealing, and that is against the law! No way to excuse it, a person who pirates games, is a thief!:freeman:
What fall?
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