From the comment section on the article. You can check if it’s true if you want to, I can’t be bothered.
The quote on Wikipedia from the Indian skeptic is in reference to a 2003 10-day study of the same guy.The skeptic appears to be implying a conspiracy by a particular Doctor at the hospital which did the study in 2003, however the results being confirmed by a different hospital and different researchers seem to cast doubt on this hypothesis.
Maybe he ate like 20 big macs before going to the hospital and also drank like 5L of water.
he has actually been secretly dead for years
Case closed.
Without going to the bathroom? I wonder how it would feel after holding it in for 2 weeks. :fffuuu:
hahaha
you’re great
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OBJECTION
Well, some more physics-defying yoga BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvEH64F6Upk&NR=1
Feel free to find your own research. The name is spelt Mirin Dajo.
Independent investigators are repeatedly denied access to Jani, making me highly suspicious.
independent of what? there have been two different studies of the guy by two different organizations, is that not the definition of independent? Is it really that suspicious that a science team performing a study would not allow a different team to “investigate” their subject while the original study was still going on?
Which organizations/“science teams” tested him? Why can’t there be peer review of the results? It is suspicious that they won’t allow others to check their results.
There’s the 2003 study which I assume you know about since you’re citing it as evidence of shenanigans, and then there’s the study by of India’s “Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences” (kind of like the Indian DARPA) which I linked to in the OP. I don’t see any evidence that they won’t allow others to check their results, but who knows - maybe it is a giant conspiracy by the Indian Military to make Pakistan think they have superhuman Yogi soldiers who never eat…
oh hey guys I have not eaten since I was 1 hence why I’m alive now.
/me injects IV needle
My good friend entropy says hello.
The Australian newspaper tried to verify the results and were denied access. It is extraordinarily interesting, to say the least, that all I can find are news reports that repeat the same story and cannot find a single shred of evidence of the actual results beyond what the DRDO claims. Me? If I were independently investigating the claims, I wouldn’t want to listen to what the DRDO claims; I would want to see the plain unvarnished evidence. You say he went for two weeks without food or water? Show me the video tapes. Let me sit and watch the 300+ hours of video tape without pause between tapes. Show me the evidence that he hasn’t eaten or drank a single thing.
No one, to date, has been allowed to review the tapes outside the panel.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3236118.stm
“Doctors say they cannot verify his claim to have not eaten or drunk for decades - but by observing his feat under laboratory conditions, they hope to learn more about the human body.”
And I did find a PDF of the study by the panel and they made it clear that, while for TEN days (not a fortnight as the original article claimed) he might not have anything for that period, they conclude that they have no evidence to state that one can go for years without it.
“However it should be made very clear that we have confirmed the claim over 10 days
only and we as scientists and responsible doctors cannot say anything regarding validity
of the claim of his sustaining without food, drinks, urination and excretion of stools over
several years.”
https://www.sudhirneuro.org/files/mataji_case_study.pdf
I have no problem with believing that, in a highly altered state, the normal needs of the body shut down to an extent, but not in the lengths required to substantiate such an extraordinary claim.
PROOF OR IT NEVER HAPPENED
is what you’re trying to say right?
Nah, what I’m saying is that extraordinary claims (man survives for decades without food or water) require extraordinary evidence. The latter was not provided and independent investigators are barred from checking the evidence.
is pretty much the only scientific thing to say right now.
The burden of proof is on the one making physics-defying claims. Having an open mind doesn’t mean blindly believing news reports, it means being open to reviewing the data even when every single scientific fact since the birth of modern science contradicts the claim.
No data = no reason to be even remotely interested. Again, the more preposterous the claim, the higher the number of independent, free, peer-reviewed studies you need to make the proof. I expected better from you mattemuse.
let’s talk about steorn now
The way I see it, if a scientist actually had a ground-breaking result that fundamentally alters what we know and believe about the world, the last thing you’d do is disallow peer-review. That’s just plain stupid. Unless, of course, what you have would not stand up to scientific rigeur.
You’re confusing the 2003 study with the 2010 one. Note that all the links you’re citing are dated 2003. I still don’t see any evidence that they didn’t release their documentation, just because it isn’t in the BBC article doesn’t mean anything… And even if they didn’t, do you really expect Indian military researchers to release their documents to the public?
I believe the guy didn’t eat or drink for 15 days, because the alternative is a pretty silly conspiracy, and I’ve read similar stories about other cases like this. The Swami lying about never eating for decades is certainly a possibility, but doing what he did under observation is impressive either way.