Well the pin function makes the dock pretty much the same as the ‘Quick Launch’ toolbar that existed in previous versions of Windows, but just a bigger iteration that allows for greater interaction with programs. Its better, but pretty much conceptually the same as Mac, just not as stylistic or functional.
So, again I ask, what can the dock do that what is offered in flavors of Windows since 98SE cannot?
Pin files? Open folders in a grid/fan? Look nice? Be hidden without being insanely annoying?
At the end of the day, though, they’re all pretty minor criticisms. The major annoyance I have is that there aren’t that many differences because Windows copied it exactly. Some of the functions existed in earlier editions of Windows, but the fact that it looks identical and acts almost identically is indicative of the fact that Microsoft copied Apple’s design, which just shows a lack of imagination on their part.
In Windows 98, the task bar was very different to what it is now. Its changed considerably since then; going from window-centric to now an application-centric feature. And I don’t think you can argue that the switch was made with anything less than considerable influence from the various Mac OSs.
I submit to you, loony636, that it was Apple that copied Microsoft’s design for the dock using something available since 98SE (OS X didn’t come out until later), not the other way around. You say that what Mac offers is better (I don’t, it’s more annoying to me the way Mac does it) but I say that Apple built on what Microsoft did, and then Microsoft built on what Microsoft made. Then Apple says “You copied us!”
Please.
Well I think its already been submitted that Microsoft in turn copied Mac OS 8. I don’t know anything more about OS 8, since I’ve never used it. I have used OS 9, but not extensively.
Aside from that, I think its fairly evident that it wasn’t just as ‘simple evolution’ of the Microsoft taskbar. The switch from a document-centric to an application-centric approach is one big factor, and another is the style; the single application icon as opposed to the previous allocation of a bar for each open window is a clear indication of the change in approach. While its possible that this all happened organically within Microsoft, I cannot believe that it wasn’t at least heavily inspired by the Apple Dock.
On an aside, I think there’s a lot of copying that goes on between operating systems, and I’m not saying that Apple is completely blameless, I’m just saying that there are some good examples of it in Windows 7.
Title says PC vs Mac thats WTF it has to do with it! Apple arguing the PowerPC CPU, NuBus, MacMemory and apple talk was better for how many years?
Obviously it aint! - I used to work for a company that had the highest concentration of Macs in the UK… they break down and fail as much now as they did then… no different than PC then and now!
The thread should be called Windows vs OS(wotever) under the hood its the same dog!
Well I thought Apple technology was better? I thought the main reason they switched was for the advantage of dual core processors and compatibility. I know almost nothing about it though, so someone who is more endowed with knowledge would be better to lend their knowledge on the subject.
Maybe they wanted to be able to run windows? who knows… maybe OSX will become available for re-sale as a software only at one point - My Hackingtosh runs flawlessly now… but with Jobs involved I would say it revolved heavily along cost and the bottom line profits! He did describe the G5 as “the most powerful desktop machine available!” then months later after the fence hop to x86/CISC described the DualCore Macs as “the most powerful desktop machine available!” aaaaallllll righty then! NuBus was junk… Mac Memory was horrendously over priced… AppleTalk dragged networks to their knees… they made the best move…
From memory the G5 was dual core… ?
The most powerful desktop computer available today, is outdated tomorrow. Simple as that.
I have a iMac G3 and its just standard memory. Took it straight out of an old desktop.
Same goes for 4GB of the 8GB in my iMac. Just ninja’d them from a friend’s gaming rig that he was going to replace.
I bought my kickass computer last summer: 1700 dollars.
My roommate bought his iMac last summer: 2400 dollars.
My computer has higher overall performance in all areas, from graphical editing to video-playing (High quality video that can stagger lower-end systems) and (of course) gaming.
My computer has given me one blue screen of death, and it was when I was fucking around with the registry, trying to bind the BSOD to a key.
My computer has (previous statement-withstanding) never crashed.
My roommate’s computer went into a fit of crashing just after winter break.
For no reason whatsoever, it fixed itself after about two weeks.
Six weeks ago, his harddrive failed. He had to go to a mac store (about 15 miles from campus). They told him it would be ready “tomorrow”. Two days later, they call him and tell him that the hard-drive wasn’t in stock, that it would be ready tomorrow. Two days from then, he gets a call to come in and pick it up.
In the interest of extending the life-span of his mac, he upgrades his original 1-year warranty to a 3-year warranty, with a student discount, for about 300 bucks. The three-year warranty does not continue FROM the 1-year, but really only grants him an extra two years.
Again, my computer hasn’t crashed once, has been through 2 OS installs (early on in the year, back towards last summer, from vista to 7 beta, from beta to 7 pro).
That, and my roommate loved to play TF2 on my computer when I was at class. I think, when it comes out on mac, I’mma buy it for him, as thanks for all the gas I mooched by making him take me with him to the grocery stores.
Earlier Macs used proprietary 168-pin DIMMs after 72pin came to a natural end… they then moved to an industry standard like PC’s of SD & DDR based.
AppleCare (the 3 year warranty) for iMacs is $169 without discounts. It also specifically states that it’s 3 years after the original purchase date (which has logic written all over it).
When it comes to hardware a PC will always win (give me any Mac setup and I’ll build a faster PC for less money - I DARE YOU), but wasn’t this thread about the operating systems?
You do realize that is quite a silly statement, since both PC as Mac use the same hardware, and seeing as it’s Apple you’ll ultimately pay more for the Apple hardware. But since I am curious what the price difference will be, so here it goes:
- 2x 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB 1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
- 8TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s + Mac Pro RAID Card
- 4x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
- 2x 18 Speed SuperDrives
- 2x Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel)
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI Express card
- Apple Mouse
- Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
- Mac OS X Snow Leopard
Total: $17,497
This thread should be renamed to “Windows vs Mac” or “Mac vs every other PC operating system” lol
It probably should be. People seem to be incapable of discussing OSX without mentioning how expensive and shit Apple computers are.
WTF are you doing with a 4Gb Fibre Channel card? do you have a direct link to an ISP or SAN environment?
That’s got to be one of the most stupid computers I’ve seen in my life. Why would even consider buying 32 GB of RAM, when nothing is going to use probably even half that, then buy 4 of the shittiest video cards that are out right now? GT 120’s are basically 9400s that are rebranded.