Modern Warfare 2: Leaked Massacre Footage [SPOILER WARNING]

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#21

So - gunning down hundreds or thousands of unarmed civilians at an airport, simply for the sake of spreading terror and death, is “mildly violent” to you, hurr?

You ARE participating in the atrocity - even if it is by simply strolling along and watching without trying to prevent it, although you could try (you are heavily armed, after all).

There are things that should not be done even in a game, for entertaining purposes. C&C Generals also forced the player to commit atrocities for the sake of advancing and completing the single player campaign. I felt sick after playing through that, and had nightmares for a week or so. Maybe I am just not “battle-hardened” enough yet, but MW2 clearly crosses a line there. The option to skip that part is a bad joke. “We have invested time and effort to present you with a realistic show of mass murder and bloodshed, but if you would like to fast forward to the next game section, where you are a soldier again and killing is ok, you can do so by pressing this button”. The only thing this could be good for would be making people think about what’s the difference between a soldier and a terrorist. And why it is “okay” for soldiers to kill civilians (accidentally OR even intentionally), but not for terrorists. But I guess only people who are already smart enough to think about such things would get the hint - if it is intended as such at all.

Also, if Modern Warfare is intended as depicting the reality of war, where are the women and children? Where’s gangrape and child abuse/murder? Where are the child soldiers? Fuck the children - where are the fucking women??!
In every war the first people to suffer from law enforcement breakdown are women! I watched through the whole “military takeover” scene in MW1 and saw not one fucking woman crying for mercy while watching her underage daughter being gangraped in a backyard. THAT is fucking war.

As long as such thing don’t become part of war games, I refuse to grant them any educational or artistic value. Don’t misunderstand me - the aforementioned scenes of rape and child abuse are nothing I really WANT to see. Neither in a game, nor on TV or in real life. But they are a reality. They are what war is really all about. And it makes me sick that, when it comes to wargames, it is as if they didn’t exist. There is a double standard somewhere behind that, I fear. As if it is okay to show terrorists gun down civilians at an airport, but not to show soldiers raping women. I wouldn’t mind if wargames showed only the participants of war. Soldiers, terrorists… But it also attempts and utterly fails to depict the victims of war. Women, children and senior people. I don’t give a shit about male, middle aged civilians being shot. The outrageous thing is the complete absence of female civilians in the whole world of Modern Warfare.

It’s such a chauvinistic game. The only female I encountered was a helicopter pilot who eventually had to be rescued. What a big fucking surprise.

#22

Game’s are made to be played for fun. What is the fun in raping women and children (unless you live in Japan :stuck_out_tongue: ).

Of course there is a double standard, but why throw those things in games when they don’t offer fun game play?

Movies get away with far worse yet no one complains about them. Have you seen Hostel, Ichi the Killer, the Saw series? Tons of movies show sex, rape, brutal killings, torture, gore, etc. Plus they are hugely more realistic than games. But they rarely get made a big deal of like this minor scene in MW2 is. But when it pop up in a game it gets blown completely out of proportion. Mass Effect sex scene anyone? Remember the media outrage over that. Ridiculous.

Of course, the entire games industry is like that. Probably due to the fact that women in the industry are a very small minority. And if you get a good looking one, she becomes a sex symbol instead of being taken seriously as a developer, producer, whatever she is. (Jade Raymond anyone?)

#23

The exact same question can be applied to this “terrorist” scene included in MW2. What’s the fun in mowing down innocent, crying civilians? IS there really fun in that?

This is the first time I will witness a media outrage about a computer game and at least partly agree with it. Has nothing to do with ignorance. Games are intended to be fun. Killing civilians is in no context okay to be part of a game, not even a wargame - unless it is trying to be educational and critical about its main content. Which it isn’t - otherwise there would be women and children in there.

You see some adult females in the airport scene, that’s a start at least. But no children. On an airport. How fucking realistic. Well, it’s not like I really would LIKE to see that. Actually, I didn’t want to see such a mass murder depicted in a game AT ALL. But now that I’ve seen it, it cannot be unseen.

I wouldn’t even mind if it was only part of a cutscene, where the player cannot actively participate in the atrocity. But placing the player among a mass murder squad of terrorists during the bloodshed is a big fucking step across the line. Not buying it, nor any other games by Infinity Award, ever again.

#24

Grand Theft Auto is full of civilian killing. You can shoot them, blow them up, beat them with a variety of objects, run them over, stab them, drag them down the road while they hold onto the door…and it’s all fun.

It’s the fact that it isn’t real life and you can do things you could never do in real life.

There was a bit of controversy when GTA came out then it faded away and everyone forgot about it, the same thing will happen here, the same thing happened with Mass Effect.

Video game controversy is stupid. If you don’t agree with content of a game don’t buy it and ignore it. The same way people who don’t like brutal horror movies don’t see them and (generally) ignore them without trying to work up a bunch of controversy.

Don’t go along with ridiculous cries of foul just because it isn’t your cup of tea.

#25

I think that the reason that they didn’t show children and such (along with the rape you mentioned earlier) is because such things would probably get the game banned, and although they may have crossed your line, showing things such as children getting mown down would almost definately get the game banned far and wide.

Therefore they cannot completely represent war, even if this is there intention, simply because it is in the end, a game to make profits, not a documentary.

Such things you mentioned are about 100x worse.

#26

@DansonDelta40:

First of all, letting players kill children or witnessing it is crossing the line. That is why children are never part of war themed video games (GTA, COD, OF, BF, etc).

You could argue and say the airport scene/level is crossing the line as well, but I disagree. GTA already got away with it (altough the killer - the player is also considered a civilian as in not military).

I’m sure you defended GTA amidst the controversy for that game and now Inifity Ward does this and it’s no longer okay all of a sudden?

I don’t buy it. I think it just finally got to you for some reason and now you can’t accept any more stupid violence for entertainments sake. I guess you will stop watching R rated movies too then.

#27

Okay, look, if gaming wants to be excepted as art, it has to cross the line… alot.
WATCHMEN crossed the line in comics, with child murder, blue penises, and many other gruesome shit! But it’s all held together in a compelling story. If MW2 can offer a compelling story, then we might start seeing a revolution in how people view video games.

On that note, I hope someone picks up “6 Days in Fallujah.”

#28

No, this is highly violent. I’m surprised the entire level hasn’t been erased in the German version regardless. I was referring to their more boneheaded censorships, such as Half-Life. :retard:

And I’m pretty sure the word ‘art’ has not crossed the minds of lots of game developers in a long time. The only games that come to my mind as truly artistic are the Prince of Persia games (especially the latest game :jizz: ).

#29

Wut about FO3

#30

It’s not possible to harm children in Fallout 3 unless you use developer hacks or mods.

#31

i want to clear this up unless someone else already has. In this scene you are not a terrorist, but an UNDERCOVER CIA AGENT. You were sent on this high risks mission to stop it at the end, BUT, they already knew (the RUSSIAN terrorists) and they kill you. When the police come at the RUSSIAN airport they find a dead American (you).

This makes people suspect that this attack on the airport was from Americans not Russians. In the start of the mission Makarov says no Russian, English only, so they are framing America. This starts what looks to be the uphill slope to the U.S. soil war.

I hope that made some sense…

#32

Ironically IRL the cia are responsible for more deaths than any modern terrorist group

#33

Oh dear me. The MGS games are fun, but they’re ridiculous. The story is retarded for each and every game (yes, it’s entertaining and I do get absorbed into it, but nonetheless it’s stupid). Rockstar wouldn’t know a good story if it took them from behind.

#34

To each his own I guess.

#35

Like you said before the edit, the Valve are good story tellers (not necessarily in the story, but in the way it’s told). The guys who made the old Soul Reaver games were good. Also, the Silent Hill team, especially with 2. Before they got into 3d, the Oddworld team were great, and likewise Square were at the top of their game with FF8. Penumbra had a very interesting storyline too, as did Braid. Etcetera etcetera, basically.

My point is you had many, many, many people to mention as good story tellers and you chose two mediocre ones.

#36

In the bible god massacres billions/millions of people but the devil kills 2, see the pattern?

Whenever I play a video game and I have to kill these enemies, I don’t usually think of myself actually gunning down these people who could have children and families, I just think of it as a more complicated way of jumping on that goomba. In the GTA games the civilians are physics objects to me, I wouldn’t actually think that I would launch a person 50 feet into the air for fun.

But the part that disappointments me most is that some of today’s youth actually seem to enjoy that kind of reality where they do imagine themselves killing innocents. Where these kids enjoy cartoons like happy tree friends, these are the kind of kids that make me sick. Crossing the line doesn’t usually involve the game but it is how you view it that makes it horrible or not.

#37

God runs the CIA and the devil is lazy?

#38

sooo, today’s Youth are sadists?

#39

if you killed dwayne instead of playboy you are a monster

#40

No, were just completely desensitized to violence.

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