Loss of Interest in BM?

Black Mesa Archive The Cafeteria
#601

I’ve been following this mod for around 4 years now. I have lurked here for about 2 years, reading the threads but really having nothing to say.
But seeing this thread spurred me into signing up.

During the development life of this mod I have lived in 3 different countries, had 4 different jobs, met hundreds of people, drank unknown amounts of vodka.
Why do I keep coming back here? Because I have blind faith that this may really be real.

In a theological sense, this mod is God. We do not see it, we do not play it, we do not feel it. We believe in its existence because a few people tell us it exists and show us a few screenshots.
I’m sure you all remember Duke Nukem Forever. That game also had screenshots and look where it is now.

Who knows why I retain this blind faith. But I am still eagerly awaiting its arrival, despite the fact that on my Chinese connection it will take me 8 months to download from Steam.

In the same way that the devout worshipers of any religion wish to see their god, I also cannot wait to see this mod. There are times when I am infuriated by what seems to be a complete lack of progress, but still I come here and still I hope that it will become real.

#602

That “complete lack of progress” is actually the team members working even harder, and not posting updates as a result. I’m infuriated by people who make statements like that, acting like they have some sort of control over others.

#603

Well aren’t you lucky.
Because it won’t/most likely be released through Steam (initially).

#604

How do you know that there is any progress, how much, or how close to completion they are? Do you know something the rest of us don’t?

There’s no reason to believe that the mod will be completed or not be completed based on information given. Not even the devs themselves can be certain that the mod will be completed. And only they know the state of the mod at the moment.

We’ve been through this before: Last year, I watched the same members of The Official Black Mesa Douchebag Club flame anyone and everyone that expressed doubts about a 2009 release. And how’d that turn out fer ya? Turns out that those people were right, and the BMDC were wrong.

I’m much less annoyed by requests for updates about the state of the mod than I am by the response flames of sycophantic douches.

#605

I know there’s progress because the developers wouldn’t be posting updates on the wiki and posting on the forums if there wasn’t.

#606

Might be the releases of media or the fact that the Steam profiles of the devs show that they’re in the Source SDK or the fact that they have an internal timeline with goals that they’re meeting?

I dunno, but the barrage of constant requests for updates is more douchey than the response thereof, considering that the devs have answered the questions time and time again; what makes you think that YOUR question will be any different? Perhaps you should let them work on the mod instead of constantly having to respond to “Is the mod done yet? What’s the percentage? Can I get new media?”

Even if they released a media release every single day, there’d be douchebags requesting more. Media releases slow the progress of the mod. I want NO media releases. I want NO updates. I don’t want them answer “Is it done yet?” questions. I want them to work on the mod and release the best fucking mod in the history of gaming.

Don’t you?

#607

bscly

#608

Why not change the settings of the forum, let them be atleast headcrabs to make their own threads … and the bitching cockroach problem is solved.

#609

I didn’t ask for any updates. I don’t want or need new media. I had no question. Lame attempt at Strawman.

I said that I’m more annoyed by reactionary spam flames by douches than I am about requests for status. Asking about status doesn’t make someone a douche, flaming someone that asked for a status makes someone a sycophantic douche.

Overall, your post is the same shit I’ve read so many hundreds of times - verbatim - spam. That’s my point - it’s word for word organizational rhetoric - sycophantic creed. Worthless spam. And the response had nothing to do with me at all - I never made any such post - EVER.

EDIT: Solokiller - you seem confused: your first post gives a reason for why there aren’t updates, and the second says mentions that there ARE updates. Which is it? And are you CERTAIN that those images in wiki are recent? I have absolutely no idea the state of the mod, wiki images or not. It means nothing either way. Just sayin.

#610

@Kerberos
This goes under the false assumption that threads started by regulars have more value than “bitching cockroach” threads.

#611

OMG, it’s like this guy was reading my mind, then added some sort of weird God twist to my thoughts.

AMEN BROTHER! AND PASS THE VODKA!

#612

Um sorry but what is the point of posting a thread that has no real purpose? And I never said that regulars are better than cockroaches or that their posts have more value if the thread’s got some good point that wasn’t mentioned ok fine be my guest … but making threads like this one and other similar are just a waste of time …

#613

You missed the key word, “seem”
There seems to be a complete lack of progress

Your logic is also terribly flawed. You assume that by not posting updates they must be working harder. I am not suggesting that they are not working hard, I would guess they are, but your assumptions are unfounded. And my guess is just that, nothing more than a ‘guess’.
They may infact be lazing in a hammock whilst playing with their nipples. This too would prevent them from updating their website.
Not updating does not equate to progress.

As for the wiki updates, a few daily edits in text or a couple of monthly picture updates again does not entail progress.

My argument is not that they are doing nothing, it’s that your assumption that the are doing something is fallacious .

#614

I’m not trying to be argumentative or diss your post, but ALL the threads are shit and serve no real purpose except social conversation, which is OK.

But the point of having a forum for a mod like this is to keep the community following the mod informed of the development. Without that, there’s not really any point, except for the final announcement of initial release, patches, and for feedback after release. But until release, there’s no real point for the forums.

It’s a forum for following the mod, except that there’s no real information being released about the state of development. There’s no development to follow.

I’m not bitching - i’m just trying to explain why there is this inherent conflict between one group and another. It’s natural for people to think that the forum for a mod exsists so that people can follow the development of the mod.

I basically agree with you.

#615

There have been times when there weren’t updates, that’s the ones i thought the other person was referring to. It also doesn’t matters if those images are recent or not, they show that the mod is getting close to being finished, that’s what matters.

I think the real problem is that you think that you have the right to demand updates, but you’re wrong about that.

If they don’t want to release updates to avoid people from saying “it looks finished, why not release it now”, or “this mod is years from completion”, then they won’t.
Unfortunately, people will then start saying “this mod is dead” or “why aren’t there more updates?”, and then situations like this occur, where the people who know what the devs are trying to do are trying to reduce the amount of repetitive questions, and get called out on it by people just like you.

All this has happened before, and will happen again until the mod is released, because even if the mod is officially and undeniably declared dead, people will still bitch about all the content that was created and not released.

#616

I never demanded any updates. And , strictly speaking, the images do NOT show that the mod is being completed. and it DOES matter, regarding your post, if the images are recent or not. In effect, you do not KNOW anything about the mod’s development. You have a serious problem with your epistemology.

#617

You’re posting here to complain about the lack of updates, that’s demanding an update, because if you realized that the choice to post updates is completely up to the devs, who have a busy life as it is, you’d realize that posting updates only takes more time away from work on the mod.

And if they didn’t work hard on the mod, it probably wouldn’t be as finished as it is right now, but if you want to call everything they’ve shown up until now bad, or easily made, fine, go right ahead, but i don’t think you’ll get much support for that.

#618

No, I never complained about the lack of updates. Strawman. Spam. Verbatim creed bullshit. Douche.

EDIT: You’ve created a strawman to argue against, to spew out the same tired creedy spam, and it doesn’t apply to me at all. So, here’s my repsonse to any of your future responses to me - just C&P:

BLA BLA BLA

#619

There have been so many people who registered on the forum just so they could create a new thread with an uninformed post about how there’s been no media released in the past day/week/month/year.

Then somebody will try to explain why they are wrong, and then somebody like you would sometimes show up to act like the second person is flaming the first, while in reality you’re flaming the second person for just trying to explain the situation that some people don’t seem to get when they register here.
I’d like to see you try and make a mod with this scale in public without people starting to ask pointless questions, even when the FAQ clearly explains everything.

#620

BLA BLA BLA Spam - heard it all before. Yeah - right - there are no flaming douches on this forum. I’m with ya.

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