iSteam

[cceplopu]

Windows is hardly a nightmare.

Your incompetence and lack of knowledge is intriguing, I must admit. You seem to be one of those turds with a peanut for a brain that likes to follow the common mainstream “macfag” hatred, without factually knowing why you’re bashing the computers or the OS. They might not be made for users such as yourself, but they are perfectly fine computers for a lot of people around the world.

Thanks for flaming me for disagreeing about your choice of PC. You really are a Macfag. I’ve been using and building computers since I was a child, programming since then as well. CG since middle school. I sure am incompetent eh? You sound like the incompetent one if Windows is such a nightmare for you.

Also, what “workflow” is there in an OS? I don’t use my OS, I use programs. The OS just allows me to use my programs. I open my program, I’m using my program. Explain this so called workflow.

The functionality of the Dock far exceeds the functionality of the taskbar/startmenu.

The dock has icons I click and my programs open, the Windows taskbar now does the same thing. Sure is difference in functionality huh?

@Jingles

They may have older components, but they are built to last and are actually amazingly fast. I don’t see what everybody’s problems with macs are.

My “PC” (Mac, PC, no difference except the OS anymore) has modern components and is built to last and is amazingly fast at half the cost.

they completely nullify the advantage of OSX.

What “advantage”? Giving money to Apple so they can continue to push incredibly overpriced yet outdated hardware?

[brokenfridgehinge]

You come off as really arrogant, I gotta say.

[Siggs]

hmm. Maybe it’s a difference in working, I could never get used to the simple fact that a Mac only has one mouse button. In windows that ads some nice flexibility.

But on the flipside, I use Rocketdock in Windows, I don;t know what I’d do without it.
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[Bolteh]

@cceplopu

Thanks for flaming me for disagreeing about your choice of PC.

Said the one that has been using the word “macfag” in every post he’s made so far.

@cceplopu

Also, what “workflow” is there in an OS? I don’t use my OS, I use programs. The OS just allows me to use my programs. I open my program, I’m using my program. Explain this so called workflow.

Juggling files around, interchanging files between applications, easily swapping between apps and app windows, quickly finding things on your HD, quickly accessing applications with as few clicks as possible, and so on. Did I say inompetence yet? Because that bit sure makes you sound incompetent.

@Siggs

hmm. Maybe it’s a difference in working, I could never get used to the simple fact that a Mac only has one mouse button. In windows that ads some nice flexibility.

Macs haven’t been shipped with one-button mice since the eMac (2002).

[Siggs]

…howso? does the mousewheel click count as a seperate button? Using bootcamp Macs, windows can use 2 clicks on the left and right, but never in OSX, at least on Macs at uni

[cceplopu]

@Bolteh

Juggling files around, interchanging files between applications, easily swapping between apps and app windows, quickly finding things on your HD, quickly accessing applications with as few clicks as possible, and so on.

I don’t have a problem doing any of that on Windows. If someone put a Mac in front of me I’m 100% positive I would have no problem doing it there as well. I can adapt, apparently you can’t.

Maybe try to use Windows for once instead of crying about how much of a nightmare it is.

[Door]

@Siggs

…howso? does the mousewheel click count as a seperate button?

The mighty mouse has three mouse buttons; left, right and center.
The right-click function is disabled by default.

[Bolteh]

It’s not because you only see one button, that there is only one button. The Mighty Mouse has 3 buttons (not counting the scrollball, which doesn’t click, afaik), the Magic Mouse has 4 (I -think-, not sure, haven’t used one).

@cceplopu

I don’t have a problem doing any of that on Windows. If someone put a Mac in front of me I’m 100% positive I would have no problem doing it there as well. I can adapt, apparently you can’t.

Maybe try to use Windows for once instead of crying about how much of a nightmare it is.

I use XP and Vista 8 hours a day at work. I use OSX 4+ hours a day at home for freelancing. I enjoy those 4+ hours more than those 8 hours at work (and both my job and freelancing are the exact same business).

[Siggs]

@Bolteh

The Mighty Mouse has 3 buttons (not counting the scrollball, which doesn’t click, afaik), the Magic Mouse has 4 (I -think-, not sure, haven’t used one).

OK, thanks for clearing that up. But fyi;

@Bolteh

It’s not because you only see one button, that there is only one button.

I didn’t say that

[cceplopu]

Keep on being a Macfag and paying a superior price for inferior hardware then I guess =/

[Bolteh]

I know, but you’d be amazed at how many people think they have one button when looking at the mouse. The entire concept of a single uniform case baffles them somehow.

You’d be even more amazed at how many people still milk the ONE BOUTAN stigma. That’s like me saying that Windows sucks balls because there used (many moons ago) to be Windows ME.

[Siggs]

Okay When talking about single clicking, I guess I was more reffering to the fact windows has the right click menu, which I find more useful than the Mac equivalent (the overlay?)

[danielsangeo]

@Bolteh

I didn’t realize there was a theory on what makes a good workflow. Workflow is something that an individual feels when working. I haven’t used a single Windows version that offered me a smooth workflow. Everything I do in Windows, I can do faster in OSX.

This has never been the case for me. In Mac, I always feel like I’m taking a ham-handed approach to things. To me, Mac feels like I’m wearing boxing gloves in a china store or attempting to use power tools by Fisher Price. Macs just feel clumsy to me.

The functionality of the Dock far exceeds the functionality of the taskbar/startmenu.

Howso?

The functionality of Exposé far exceeds the functionality of the window management Windows offers.

Windows’ Alt+Tab (since 95) is much quicker for me than Expose ever was.

The day Windows becomes a proper OS is the day I’ll consider getting a PC. Until then, I’ll gladly pay the extra cost for a Mac.

So, you’d be willing to pay more for less functionality?

I reiterate what I said previously about iSteam:

Welcome to 2003! You hear that there’s a sequel to the game Half Life coming out soon?

[cceplopu]

@danielsangeo

This has never been the case for me. In Mac, I always feel like I’m taking a ham-handed approach to things. To me, Mac feels like I’m wearing boxing gloves in a china store or attempting to use power tools by Fisher Price. Macs just feel clumsy to me.

Howso?

Windows’ Alt+Tab (since 95) is much quicker for me than Expose ever was.

So, you’d be willing to pay more for less functionality?

I reiterate what I said previously about iSteam:

Welcome to 2003! You hear that there’s a sequel to the game Half Life coming out soon?

Don’t try to talk to him he’s just a Macfag who enjoys forking over thousands more than his computer is worth to finance Steve Jobs next blowjob from a hooker.

[Siggs]

‘Macfag’ or not, you could be more civil

[Jingles]

You can use mice that have multiple buttons on them if you have the drivers Also, @ccepolu, I know macs are expensive, but they are still awesome. If you think about it, an iMac 27" higher model, costs £1324.12 by default.

Cost of an LG 24" Backlit display : £250
ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics processor with 512MB of GDDR3 memory: £106
Windows 7 Ultimate: £145.81
Intel Core i7 860 Lynnfield 2.8 GHz 8MB L3 95W LGA 1156 Quad Core Processor: £191.21
4gb ddr3 sdram: £155
Slot-loading 8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW): £46.39
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA hard drive: £119.30
Aluminium Wireless keyboard: £50
Wireless Mouse: £22
HD Webcam: £30
Microphone: £15
Wireless Networking Card: £25
HD Stereo Speaker System: £60
2 17-watt high-efficiency amplifiers: £40

Total: £1155.71

Not much of a rip off, because they include free shipping, lots of extra software with the OS and everything is built into one screen, which means getting specialised components and more work to make sure everything is laid out properly. Not to mention that I forgot to include fans and other components. Also, those are windows equivalents there. Those were the cheapest prices I found that match the iMac’s specs.

@Siggs

…howso? does the mousewheel click count as a seperate button? Using bootcamp Macs, windows can use 2 clicks on the left and right, but never in OSX, at least on Macs at uni

They can all use a standard mouse, even the old eMacs (my brother used to have one).

[cceplopu]

iMacs are the only decently priced computer Apple sells. It’s really the Mac Pro’s that are incredibly overpriced. Laptops are very nice but still overpriced.

[loony636]

@danielsangeo

I reiterate what I said previously about iSteam:

Welcome to 2003! You hear that there’s a sequel to the game Half Life coming out soon?

Very droll. Welcome to 2001, did you know, you CAN actually make operating systems that both look nice and function properly? Oh, looks like you’ll have to go back to defragmenting, scanning for viruses, purging the registry and doing a Windows Update before you’ll be able to come up with an adequate response.*

*I’m being deliberately camp in response to some of the posts in this thread. Please don’t take it personally.

@cceplopu

Don’t try to talk to him he’s just a Macfag who enjoys forking over thousands more than his computer is worth to finance Steve Jobs next blowjob from a hooker.

The one reason that I can’t leave threads like these alone with a simple statement of “whatever works for you” is because of sanctimonious little shits like you. Make your points, but don’t do it while sounding like a fuck stick.

@danielsangeo

Windows’ Alt+Tab (since 95) is much quicker for me than Expose ever was.

shrugs Each to his own. I personally can’t live without Expose now, but that’s just me.

@danielsangeo

The functionality of the Dock far exceeds the functionality of the taskbar/startmenu.

Well its not really a fair comparison any more since Windows stole half the desktop features of Mac. Spotlight and the Dock have both been taken over to Windows, so its pretty much the same. I still find the Apps folder better for installing/removing programs, as well as being able to find them. The ability to pin folders to the dock is also infinitely useful, as well as multiple desktops and the menu bar…thing…but again, each to his own.

@Siggs

Okay When talking about single clicking, I guess I was more reffering to the fact windows has the right click menu, which I find more useful than the Mac equivalent (the overlay?)

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no. You can either double tap the trackpad or press the right part of the button to get a right click, which brings up an extremely similar menu to the Windows right-click menu. Welcome to 2010, we have two button mouses now.

And just a quick comment on ‘inferior hardware’ - So WHAT. My friend went to me today “Oh so how is your Core i7 going? Oh wait, that’s right, Macs don’t have those yet”, to which I responded “who gives a shit?”. Except for hardcore gaming and extreme processing which most people use PCs for (or those mammoth Macs), you don’t need the absolute best hardware in a computer.

[cceplopu]

@loony636

Very droll. Welcome to 2001, did you know, you CAN actually make operating systems that both look nice and function properly? Oh, looks like you’ll have to go back to defragmenting, scanning for viruses, purging the registry and doing a Windows Update before you’ll be able to come up with an adequate response.*

Defrag is scheduled to run monthly when I won’t be at my computer.
Haven’t scanned for a virus in months because I don’t get any.
No need to clean the registry if you keep your PC clean in the first place.
Haven’t ran Windows Update in months because I don’t need any of them.

@loony636

And just a quick comment on ‘inferior hardware’ - So WHAT. My friend went to me today “Oh so how is your Core i7 going? Oh wait, that’s right, Macs don’t have those yet”, to which I responded “who gives a shit?”. Except for hardcore gaming and extreme processing which most people use PCs for (or those mammoth Macs), you don’t need the absolute best hardware in a computer.

So what? The point of bringing up the inferior hardware is because it costs FUCKTONS more because of the Apple name.

I could go build a Hackintosh, with the exact same specs as a Mac Pro, for 1000-1500 less and put OSX on it. Congrats to me I just saved tons of money and didn’t lose any performance.

[Jingles]

@cceplopu

iMacs are the only decently priced computer Apple sells. It’s really the Mac Pro’s that are incredibly overpriced. Laptops are very nice but still overpriced.

The only type of mac I would get is an iMac