Actually a MP5 is better suited for Black Mesa, shooting inside a big building full of monsters that are just a few meters away from you… But I would like to see the M4(It was a M4, not M16) in the surface levels where you have bigger distances between you and your enemies.
Heh, technically it wasn’t a military-designated M4. Since apparently we like to get all nitpicky in this thread. 
It was some kind of civilian AR-15 variant. Which I find odd for the military to be using, but hey. :3
Actually, the shotgun soldiers in HL2 did that too. It actually works pretty well when the player’s occupied with other guys and/or is in an enclosed area, which is as it should be.
Edit: guys, the MP5 is not an assault rifle. I’m frankly astonished that that’s even in question.
M-16 would work great in black mesa as well. The 5.56 Nato round is really suited best for close quarters combat. Urban combat fighting in the streets for instance is where the M16 would perform beautifully. Longer ranges the small .22 caliber cartridge lacks the mass to do damage. Sure the small projectile will start tumbling after a certain distance and could keyhole and do more damage but wearing a LBV would stop it at long ranges.
The legal definitions dont regulate the civlians. Its the execessive high cost for true Class III full auto weapons. To buy a M1918 browning machine gun I would have to fork out $19,999.99. I can legally own one cause I am not a felon I would just have to go through the class III paperwork which only requires me to notify the local police chief in my area and pay a class III tax.
SBR, SMG, Class III, etc all these “legal” definitions as you put it does not stop civilians from owning them. Its the high cost that stops people from owning what they want. I long for the day when we can legally upgrade our semi auto weapons to be full auto. I can turn my M16-A1 into select fire like the orignals but doing so would be a felon cause current law dictates you cant modify a weapon with post ban full auto parts.
Its like high cost of ammo is a form of gun control. If you cant afford the ammo then you wont buy the gun cause who would have a gun if they cant keep it fed with ammo. Big reason why I shoot for military surplus firearms cause the surplus military ammo is cheap. Just picked up a crate of 1946 made 7.62x54R ammo with clips for $80 for 650 rounds. I got a further two crates at 880 rounds per crate of 1975 and 1978 production 7.62x54R for just $100 a crate.
The stupid bit was during dam where two of them would try to close in on you if you chose the long range plan. It felt like the dude was participating in special olympics charging you like this in the open all on himself.
Can you please get the hint and stop it with pulling things out of context and flaunt your gun owning experience someplace else?
Assault rifle is an assault rifle. Submachine gun is submachine gun and uses the same ammo as a pistol - and this is all that matters here in this topic.
That whole section in general made the grunts look terrible; they’re just not designed for such long range.
Try maneuvering a 20" M16 barrel through a CQB environment. That’s extremely awkward.
A carbine-length 14.5" M4 barrel would work better. Even better still, a Mk18 CQBR 10.3" barrel would work best. Of course these barrel lengths decrease long-range fighting ability, but we’re talking about an enclosed space (BMRF corridors) here.
Even with those options, you still have an MP5 which was pretty much designed for CQB and is lighter anyway. So why not use that?
I’m sure canonically there are plenty of HECU in the operation who use some sort of M4/M16 variant as well. But that would be too much work for too little gain when you put it in the perspective of mod development. So MP5 it is, especially if you want to preserve the mechanic of having the Glock and SMG share the same ammo pool.
lol well since we are going to get nitpicky one could say the AR-15 and M16 are the same 
pulling things out of context? Well hell I didnt know I was pulling things out of context but lets see what youve said to me that supposedly I was pulling out of context.
This was in reply to my comment to another poster after saying why would a rifle use a pistol round. I told the other poster that some rifles are chambered for pistol rounds.
Then I told you the same thing that lever action rifles use pistol cartridges and very few ever were made in rifle calibers. You came back with this.
I responded telling you there were only 4 rifle calibers chambered in lever action rifles from their start in the 1800`s to now and the rest are all pistol calibers.
You then came back with this reply
Which makes zero sense but was a reply. I came back informing you that the rifle was created for accuracy at longer ranges that the length of the barrel had no bearing on the creation of the rifle. Muskets were what was used and they wanted something to be accurate at longer ranges so they could shoot the enemy while remaining out of range of the enemies guns.
And now here we are you telling me that I am pulling things out of context and flaunting the guns I own. Really? You think I am flaunting ok let me go a head and flaunt you want me to list all 35 guns I currently own? How about my entire ammo stash? How about how much reloading powder I have? I mean sheesh you have done nothing but question every thing I said and I was kind and responded to inform you when I could have just wrote you off as a complete fool for the stuff you posted above. But no too many people dont know and it gets old hearing complete morons that act like they know about guns getting magazines and clips confused all the time.
Edit: screw this, I’m not going to encourage people (by which I mean rusty) raving wildly about guns. It’s what ODB said, one is an assault rifle, one is an SMG.
Given the M16-A1 with the 20" barrel would be awkward in maneuvering compared to the M4. But when you look at it like this the 5.56 Nato round performs best with between 18 and 20 inch barrels. Anything less than 18 inches and you have wasted energy projectile wise. There was an article in AR-15 magazine earlier this year that they tested different barrel lengths and found out that 18 - 20 was ideal but 15 - 17 was acceptable as well. Anything under 15" and it was found out to be a worse performer than even an orignal Model 601 M16.
If it was me and you were going into close quarters combat and a 18 - 20 inch barrel rifle wasnt good enough then I think a pistol would be better. Pistols are preferable in combat ranges of 5 - 30 yards. I know I wouldnt use a rifle on some joker just 10 yards from me.
Well M16 is the military designation. Whichever rifle was in the HD pack, it was clearly civilian. You don’t see the military issuing AR variants with 14.5" carbine barrels (WITHOUT an M203 notch cut, I may add!) and an A2 upper receiver, that somehow fires full auto, to every grunt in the field. :3
Standard issue rifle for USMC isn’t even the M4… Only the Army uses that as standard-issue now. Marines don’t use it outside of very specialized cases. The standard issue USMC rifle is still the full 20" M16A4, and they have no intention of changing that anytime soon.
What you call raving, is just me conversing and being a part of the conversation. Not to mention stating factual information.
Yep. Wasnt known as the M16 till the military adopted the AR-15 design.
But I try not to worry over stuff like that in games. I mean cmon we got a single barrel shotgun that shoots “both barrels” with rmb. I mean that would be more outrageous in my book than a AR variant rifle with an A2 upper shooting full auto.
I’m not saying that you’re wrong or not conversing, but a long listing of weapon specifications and ammunition sizes isn’t really helping here.
That was just providing some comparison to help him grasp what I was trying to say. From his replies it seems that he wasnt grasping the difference in weaponry. I appologize if listing barrel length and ammunition sizes to help someone understand what I was saying offended you.
I mean sheesh the guy was saying that hand gun ammunition in lever action rifles are not common when its actually the other way around. I didnt want to come out and say hey _____ lever actions are designed for low powered cartridges. I think that would have went over badly compared to trying to show visually what I was stating so it would help him to understand.
Houndeyes sucked in the original and were a worthless enemy that could only kill you if you were suffering from a seizure. So why make them EXACTLY the same??? Barnacles, in my opinion, don’t need killed in one hit…I just bypassed many of them. Or I would find a nearby piece of debris and feed it. I only got caught by a barnacle twice and both times I barely lost any health and didn’t even complain. Why? Because the barnacles were practically worthless before as well.
^Someone who thinks
Better or just nit picking. Sure some things could be tweaked, but when I played, I found the HECU challenging but not unstoppable.
As for the original message of the topic…not in the original so just wait for someone to upload it somewhere. It was in the HD pack that Gearbox threw together(as probably stated a dozen times). Even then, the expansions never really lived up to the original. They added some new things here and there that spiced it up, but some of the new stuff just kind of made it stupid. The HD pack was cool and made things better looking…but doesn’t mean it should override the original. Some nice ideas in this thread related to the SMG vs Assault Rifle but I think the realistic situation would call for a mix between the two depending on the location the soldiers were inserted in and their objectives.
I definitely agree that houndeyes are better now than they were, along with bullsquids. They’re actually challenging to fight now, which is as it should be.
Ehm, I was speaking about rifles in general. Talk about grasping…
No you did not. You said and I quote.
Quit trying to lie your way out of what you said. You said clearly above that lever action rifles using pistol rounds is not common practice and is an abomination in general. That is a major inaccuracy and I corrected you on it. So quit trying to say I am grasping when you are the one grasping for straws to play as the victim.
You said lever action rifles using pistol rounds is not common, when in reality here on earth lever action rifles using rifle rounds is not common.
Winning this argument isn’t exactly part of the original posters plans I think. Everyone needs to stop swinging their dicks around splitting hairs. For all I care, the BM team could have armed the HECU with cannons that fire flesh-eating kittens that chase you like snarks.