Exactly. Also Breen, as referenced in Episode 2’s “heart-to-heart” works for the Combine and was also on the same level as G-Man, recruiting others for his own advantage. Such evidence is his alluding to “Gordon’s contract being open to the highest bidder” and G-Man “acting in the face of objections that [Alyx] was a mere child and of no practical use to anyone. I have learned to ignore such naysayers when quelling them was out of the question.”
Could Breen be still alive for some reason?
Dunno, Advisors themselves have some weird psychic powers, like Vortigaunts but evil. But maybe G-man is even more powerful.
Maybe he’s actually an advisor using its psychic powers to appear human.
Maybe he’s the mother of all advisors.
Of course Breen is alive… host body anyone?
Actually, I do remember something about Breen and an Advisor host body.
I guess G-Man is also more powerful than the Advisors, or could at least influence them to target Eli first.
Yeah, I’m convinced that Breen isn’t dead, but rather in an advisor host body.
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I guess he is going to be an “advisor boss” or something… kinda offtopic, but is it just me, or does HL1 have “bosses” but HL2 doesn’t? “_”
Gunships, antlion guards, and striders are all bosses.
They’re very powerful, but maybe not in a way that can block the G-Man’s influence like the vorts. The vorts presumably have some advantage over them, since they were hunting them in Ep2. And the G-Man needn’t take direct control of them, merely subtly alter the situation so they did what they did. It’s difficult to say, either way. Also, I wouldn’t call them evil per se; they’re more amoral.
Breen isn’t at the G-Man’s level -far from it. He knows about the G-Man (maybe it was him that told Breen how to contact the Combine?), and perhaps he thinks the Combine has ability to take Gordon from the G-Man somehow, but Breen’s just human. I don’t think the “naysayers” part was actually referring to Breen; Valve were just using a stock static texture for the scene.
I find Breen quite a fascinating character because his actions and intentions can be interpreted in a number of different ways. I hope Valve does bring him back somehow and elaborate on that ambiguity in some way.
I’d like to know what kind of person he was as the administrator of Black Mesa, thus before his Combine corruption/brainwashing.
Was he a nemesis of Cave Johnson? Was he a good guy? What does the facility say/reflect about him?
He was never corrupted, he was partially responsible for it.
The widely accepted theory is that Breen helped the combine invasion along for his own ends, maybe for power, maybe because he sincerely thought that it was a good thing.
Oops, yeah, forgot. G-Man is an employer who is not human. But then again he is employed by exactly whom we haven’t figured out yet.
I still think that G-Man was referring to Breen in that scene, mostly because of his thoughts on Alyx and how he did not find her of worth.
Breen is a interesting character! It would have been kinda nice to hear from him again. RIP Robert Culp. :’( Still, if we were to see him again, Valve could use some prerecorded things if he did do any or (given the host body theory) he could still have his character in the Advisor.
[Think my train of thought is leading into a HL3 speculation thread now]
Sorry, but is it just me, or does all of this go without saying to ANYBODY who has played the games and paid ANY attention at all?
Also, Breen is in noway on the same level as the G-man. Of course he is dead, he didn’t make it through the teleport, hence the entire point of the final battle and destroying the teleport and the citadel. Lol Jesus Christ.
Breen is never portrayed as anything but a self serving bureaucrat, a deluded one at that who believes himself above every other human and earths savior. As discussed by numerous scientists at Black Mesa and HL-2. He’s not brainwashed, he’s not being forced against his will. He’s simply deluded, ironically enough by his own basic impulses.
Breen was just a puppet of the advisors , the Gman works for a diferent faction against the combine or works with them. I think that Gman uses gordon to bring the combine to earth, in half life the dead of the nihilanth creates a portal storm around all the globe and the combine take that moment, in hl2 gordon destroy the teleporter just to create a new combine invasion, if vorts wouldn´t have disrupted the Gman in ep1, the second invasion would have happened easily with gordon in stasis.
Is that really widely accepted? It doesn’t make much sense to me, especially considering no one knew about the Combine before the Seven Hour War.
Yeah, that was the point of it from Gordon’s perspective, but we never got any confirmation that that was successful, and the G-Mans aim (destroying the citadel) was accomplished. Breen’s body was never shown, so it’s free game as far as speculation is concerned.
I disagree. Breen did what he had to do for the good of humanity, and did all he could to turn something disastrous into a positive for everyone. His only critical misjudgement was underestimating Gordon Freeman.
If it wasn’t for Breen, there would be no HL2… death vs enslavement
^ Bscly.
God damn this thread, I went from reading about it to looking up stuff about breen to looking up stuff about the HL2 beta storyline again. lol
Breen did what he did because of his survival instinct. Any deluded sense of grandeur because of that is still based on lies to himself, built on nothing but his hunger for power.
In regards to the end. If you fail to destroy the teleport then Breen gets to the top and goes through the teleport. If you succeed he falls to the bottom of the chamber in the ‘bubble’ as an explosion occurs, creating two completely different outcomes. Him screaming ‘No! You need me!’ should surely be yet another sign of his death.
Breen majorly helped instigated the Resonance Cascade, no doubt duped by the G-man in exchange for power that was never to be. Once he realised the G-man had screwed him over, probably during the Combine invasion, he contacted the Combine to ‘offer’ them what they wanted, thus stopping what would of been the complete annihilation of the human race.
He is not an ‘important’ character in regards to the overall story. He’s a puppet dictator, expendable in the overall scheme of things. Bringing him back would be beyond contrived and serve absolutely NO purpose in forwarding or evolving the story at all. I really don’t see why people want to bring him back.