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I already directly adressed this case.
The U.S. legal system is actually pretty good (though this case puts a spotlight on how it can still be completely fucked on occasion), but the death penalty should be off the table if there isn’t extremely direct evidence. I actually wouldn’t mind if it was discontinued completely to eliminate the margin of error, but I’m also perfectly fine with the morality of executing someone who is a beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt murderer.
I will only say this one thing on the death penalty: I am against it.
If there’s a really heinous criminal and there is extremely direct evidence that he/she did it, then life in a maximum security prison is better than death in my opinion. For these pieces of shit, death is too good for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSHmVkjmuA#t=24s
Humperdinck: To the death!
Westley: No. To the pain. … To the pain means the first thing you will lose will be your feet below the ankles. Then your hands at the wrists. Next your nose.
Humperdinck: And then my tongue I suppose…
Westley: I wasn’t finished. The next thing you will lose will be your left eye followed by your right.
Humperdinck: And then my ears, I understand, let’s get on with it.
Westley: WRONG! Your ears you keep and I’ll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, “Dear God! What is that thing?” will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.
I want them to suffer for the rest of their natural life.
Luckily there are those who make decisions based on logical reasoning rather than let their personal emotions control their thoughts on the subject.
The burden of proof is on you.
:hmph:
No. You assert that the justice system is ineffective. Show that there is a consistant trend towards false convictions by a flawed system. You have the burden of proof.
That said, any system will occasionally produce a false charge, and it is best if that person can at least live to be acquitted, which is one of my main problems with the death penalty. But a few mistaken convictions does not a broken system make.
Jesus christ get a hold of yourself you psycho.
To me, the justice system should not be about revenge, it should be about isolating a threat to members of your society.
Also it seems to me that your punishment is flawed and would only further the killer’s disconnect from humanity.
Note: I was being semi-facetious. I was showing that being against the death penalty does not mean that you have “feelings for the criminal” or whatever other looney-tunes pro-death penalty advocates throw at me (to which I have been on the receiving end of many).
I have even been called that I “want to coddle serial killers” because I happen to oppose the death penalty. I was attempting (in an admittedly flawed manner) to illustrate that opposing the death penalty does NOT mean that you want to pamper those that have committed acts of ultimate evil and that one can have revenge without killing the person.
Apologies.
I think that the criminal justice system is heavily flawed for multiple reasons for which I’m not going to get into at the current time and that the death penalty should be ended.
That only solves half the problem, even if you can remove emotions from the justice system you still haven’t done anything about the actual source of the problem. You can build as many jails as you want, it will not solve anything. Not to mention it’s a huge drain on resources.
Half the problem is still better.
What do you suppose is the other half?
that thing about it being better to save a guilty man than to condemn an innocent one @ whoever it was that said the legal system works
guys I’m pretty sure he pleaded guilty at one point in time
If murder was made legal and the world operated on a system of person-to-person superiority there would be no overpopulation or wimpy faggots to muss things up
I admit that when i heard the news i coughed like Sausage Sally did when the knurled robot laid on the grill, duplicating.
Reading the thread from the start, I got a chuckle off of the wording here. I’m also surprised that our society is still a thing.
On Topic, I gotta be honest I don’t know enough about the case specifics to comment yay or nay. But I don’t have faith enough that society would work without the death penalty, even though we don’t have it here. It’s just knowing some places do.
Honestly, I approve of the death penalty. You kill, we kill you back. To me it makes a lot more sense than putting them up in a cell and feeding them for the rest of their lives. I’m a liberal, too.
All of that being said, the death penalty is not something to be proud of. Here I’m thinking of the morons at the Republican presidential debate who applauded Rick Perry’s death penalty count.
Yup, but not to declare the justice system a failure. It is based on the idea of requiring as much proof as possible, thats why the concept of beyond all reasonable doubt exists. However, in the end it is judged by people, and that is the biggest flaw. But that is the flaw in every country with this system, its not somehow unique to the US. As to pardons, its going to happen that people are wrongfully put in prison. If that happens frequently, then you’ve got a problem. As is, there is not reason to think this.
You accuse a person of wrongdoing because he/she murdered someone, yet you propose that we should do the same thing in return? That doesn’t make any sense, seeing how it was murder that was the moral issue in the first place.
Eliminating the source of the problem. People are not born criminals, they become criminals. Building more and more jails will never solve criminality. When you want to get rid of a tree you don’t just chop it down, you remove the tree stump so that it will never grow there again.
So do we kill the person who killed them now?
I know better than to argue my point in this forum. It simply makes more sense to me to dispose of murderers than to house them on taxpayer money. They’ve committed murder and impuned on someone else’s “right to life,” so I no longer care about their corresponding right. Kill them quickly and humanely, then forget about them. They don’t deserve to be remembered. That’s all I have to say about it.