Evolution vs Creation

#261

Lol and we’re the ones who oppose evolution. I leave for a few hours and I have way too many comments to answer at once, so I’ll just pick up where I left off instead.

While skimming I noticed something being said like “If you don’t have time then why bother etc.” Read what I said again… I never said i simply dont have the time for debates.

Anyway,

First off I like how you replied with a question [when sending the link I requested] to make me sound stupid. Nice touch. As for your statement about us having a hardware upgrade, its been proven in laboratory testing [which you are so fond of] that size alone cannot determine weather we have found an inferior or superior brain, there are other factors involved which cannot be deduced from a measurement of the cranial cavity. Einstein was considered a very smart man, yet his brain was smaller and weighed a third less than the average man, however, it had more neurons packed into it. On top of that, smaller people with smaller heads and brains, seem to exhibit the same intelligence as everyone else. Bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better.

It seems like the topic has started to swing towards origins so I decided to finish this reply on the same topic. Now, both Evolution and Creation require a beginning, you believe, in the beginning, nothing exploded and created everything and we believe that in the beginning, God was the driving force of all matter. with that being said, what is the “driving force” of this bang? did it come from within the universe? or without? If without, what empirical evidence do you have? Where did all that energy come from when nothing existed?

#262

what point. Elaborate?

Everything in your post was based on assumptions, misinformation and stringent belief systems that you have obviously fallen prey to. :wink:

I’ll repost my post

what do you or don’t you agree with?

#263

So, you don’t have any knowledge about what evolution is, do you?

So, um, if a tree is standing, and then the next minute, the tree is laying on the side of the road because a bolt of lightning hit it, does that mean that, back when people claimed that the tree was standing that they were wrong?

Wait, what?

Ajiggama-WAT?!

So, if you link to someone as uninformed as you, that’s somehow evidence?

Evolution isn’t against god, numbnuts.

Or this forum is filled with under 20 year olds…Me? I’m 32.

I’ve read it.

Sorry, but what about it is “crap”?

Probably because the word that he wrote meant ‘circle’ not ‘sphere’.

Which numbers? I think I missed them in all the bullshit you were shoveling.

Probably because it was written after the fact?

If the sky is blue (as scientifically defined as being “blue” as visual light waves roughly between 440–490 nm wide) and everyone claimed that it was really red (as scientifically defined as visual light waves roughly between 630–740 nm wide) am I wrong when I show that this particular color, being 465 nm wide is “blue”?

Or does Santa Claus exist simply because a lot of children believe he does?

Said the person who doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. :tired:

#264

Soz, but no my friend. He stated a very clear point that you and probably everyone else ignored.You see, I havent done this SO many times, but enough to understand how the system works.

Its called a debate, but its not. Its a thread which Evolutionists can sit on their butts and copy and paste information that they have heard used on Christians before. The whole point here is to throw enough tough questions at the Christian so that when he finally becomes stumped you can tell him how stupid he is. But any good information from the christian gets ignored. For example he stated a great point which was:

“If all this anatomy is so incredibly flawed and terrible, then what natural benefit was selected out of these terrible flaws if evolution is true?”

You drop the axe on your own foot when you bring up such over used arguments. People say the watchmaker story is hilarious because its over used, but these arguments are no different. They didn’t make sense when the first person posted them online and they don’t make sense when you fellas use them too.

If these are all such terrible flaws, then what does that have to say about Evolution and its ‘Natural Selection’? Think about it.

#265

Ummm Yaro… It is too bad we do not have a very strong means of communication, because it would be nice for us to understand each other completely.

You accuse folks here as not having read the bible through and through – That simply is not true. I have. Several times. You see it one way, others see it differently. That’s allowed under heaven. Also, you blame folks here for using harsh language, but when you get upset, you use the same language… What gives with that?

You also said;

“The funny thing is, if everything is being fucked up everyone asks God for help. Not science, the guy that doesn’t really exist, right? But I bet for you it’s just plain stupid…”
Take a deep breath, and calm yourself. I have asked God for help: Repeatedly… Interesting enough, it was a science based psyche doctor that got me straightened up, not God. Be careful of your accusations Yaro, and do calm down – We seem to have a communication issue happening, and being angry only exacerbates that.

You also say;

“You’re blinded by few informations you have, none of them fully proving it’s existance. And yet you convince other people thet they’re living a lie because they believe in something you can’t possibly understand. You attack them with so-called scientific facts while saying that 'science is something that’s constantly changing”.

Scientific method does not change, merely some of the finding. The fact that science examines the data it has… does that not suggest that if science finds something is not right, it will amend it? Unlike the bible that is set in stone regardless of the facts?

#266

Do you really want to know or are you just trying to bludgeon us over the head with it?

#267

It means we’ve evolved in response to our immediate environment, and it’s an incredibly slow process that takes millions of years? is that so hard to grasp? Nobody ever said evolution is “perfect”

#268

Very nice. You managed to dodge the embarrassing information and still try to appear smarter than me.

it seems you don’t feel silver tongued enough yet to answer the reply I left earlier. Not that you would have a good answer for it. You would pull out another super dodge comment instead.

Like i said, its how the system works with these online Evolution VS Creation debates. You guys are happy so long as you can sit there all day and bombard us with tough questions, waiting for us to slip up. But you refuse to even touch our questions or points unless its with a silly little comment which is obviously intended to blow off the information as well as other purposes that don’t involve addressing the information.

Yet, I wait on your reply to my previous question.

Edit:

No evolution isn’t perfect, not even in theory, which it still is by the way, a theory you guys seem to get a little too worked up by lol. Its not like its a fact, its still a theory.

Anyway, seriously, we have had time to evolve from a single celled organism [not as simple as darwin thought it was, but whatever we’ll go with it] to what we are today, and there hasn’t been time for our ballsacks to be tucked into our body in their correct place? Or Dogs? Or etc? Face it, they are where they should be, no matter what you believe in.

Oh and as for a childish comment earlier about “evolution not being against God Numbnuts” by someone who should be, based on his age, more mature, you are right. Evolution is not, but evolutionists are. If I was trying to disprove you [don’t get caught up on that one, I know it sounds like an easy avenue of escape] so that something i preferred could take your place, then I would be against you and for something else. If thats not enough for you, then God himself says if you are not for him you are against him. Don’t use that line as your emergency exit either. The point still stands that yes, like it or not, Evolutionists are against God. And no Creationists are not against science. Science can be used to prove things like the flood etc. Science is wonderful. However the abuse of science is another thing. The big bang for example, is not very scientific. Its very religious. You have to believe it happened. It is unproven and unprovable. You only believe it because its the only thing you have that makes the still theory of Evolution plausible.

#269

are you intentionally avoiding addressing this or what :hmph:

Have you even bothered to read about genetics and environmental evolution on your own, or is it too scary to acknowledge that you might be wrong in your absurd ideology?

#270

I probably missed your question from earlier. But, in evolutionary terms, the placement of the digestive terminus (anus) and the sexual organs is not a problem so there’s no reason to NOT have it there. Evolution is not perfect and most of the time imperfections last throughout the ages.

In design terms, however…

#271

He left… :expressionless:

:slight_smile:

:lol:

#272

Antibeast… Wow. Ummm k.

One thing at a time then…
You say;

You are once again making a horrible assumption. Any reasonable scientist does not, cannot and HAS NOT claimed to KNOW all the details of the big bang. NO ONE can know what was before it, we can only see the evidence after the fact. Is there evidence for a big bang? In spades… You are parroting some goofy argument you heard in church or something, and barfing it out here… What scientist has claimed to know these things?

Names please?

Also, being as we do not know what was before the big bang, how is it really relevant to there being evolution? Even evolution does not claim to have the answers to Abiogenists… Evolution is merely the study of the natural world around us, and how life evolves… nothing more.

Edit

You said…

"But you refuse to even touch our questions or points unless its with a silly little comment which is obviously intended to blow off the information as well as other purposes that don’t involve addressing the information.

Yet, I wait on your reply to my previous question."

Which question? Not trying to be dense here, but um… which?

#273

If the Big Bang theory is correct, then the question “what was before the Big Bang” becomes obsolete. For something to exist you need both space and time, both of which were formed after the Big Bang.
There are many theory’s regarding the origin of the Big Bang, one including that black holes in other universes could have spawned our universe (this is pure speculation though, there is no actual evidence).
Although I know shit about quantum mechanics, I can’t except that something came from nothing. So basically what I believe in is a multiverse (a higher dimensional universe).

I have no proof to back up my beliefs, but since religion has none either I’d say I’m safe. :slight_smile:

#274

Also, this notion that the Big Bang Theory says that “nothing exploded” is utter malarkey. The BBT doesn’t say that at all. As for the driving force, it can explained with quantum mechanics. If you don’t understand quantum mechanics, however…

#275

Yeah that’s why I said “I don’t know shit about quantum mechanics”.

#276

Heh, my response wasn’t directed at you.

#277

I’m just about to head out, but I just read something near the very bottom about how quantum mechanics explains the big bang, but it doesn’t prove it. Trying to mix explain and prove is kind of a dirty tactic. Don’t throw sand in my eyez plz… It was cheap in the kung fu movies and its cheap here :smiley: thx.

#278

Science doesn’t “prove” anything. And I noticed how you ignored the answer we gave you about evolution. Nice.

EDIT: No, wait, you didn’t. You went back after multiple posts afterwards to edit your post. Sneaky. I’ll debunk some of the major arguments in your edit:

“Evolutionists” are not against God. Evolution is a fact and a theory. There’s nothing in evolution that states that the testicles of some animals must not be in scrotums. The Big Bang has truckloads of evidence for it. It isn’t religious.

Would you care to reformulate your argument and not try to throw sand in our eyes, please?

#279

Haven’t ignored anything LOL.

Soz, I just have a life outside of these forums. Its kind of hard to explain to someone who’s not in the know, so I wont try. But i leave for a while, see a whole lot of crap being said that i have to sift through since you guys are still here and even mocked me because I actually left the computer alone for a while [mind you i thought i was in a forum, not a live chat room]. Anyway considering im going out in a matter of minutes i cant spend every waking moment reading your drivel and then listening to you label what I say as drivel, im sorry, but there is more to life than that, so in case you are worried about me for the rest of the night, its ok. Im just out doing other things that you may not understand because it doesn’t have anything to do with this forum.

#280

Both of those are unprovable: why does obscurity change anything?

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