Evolution vs Creation

Whoa, I didn’t know that something that starts as a theory is always considered a theory. Because this link only mentiones “Development of gravitational theory”. Below we see… nooo, how could it be? “Newton’s law of gravity”? Aaarrghhh :wink: .

Beavers don’t drink beer. :retard:

But, yes. Beavers do communicate with each other. All animals do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabT1L-nN-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtTzQfdnoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWpSTCRXAc

I can provide you with more.

Actually, we’re all saying the same thing. You keep trying to claim things that aren’t true and then complaining when we try to inform you. If you are uneducated about the subject, that’s fine, but arrogantly refusing to learn and then calling those that do know “wrong” is just silly.

Yes. Once a theory, always a theory. Once it has been established that a theory is sound, it becomes a law (the title of the theory).

Eh, you’re really going with stuff like that? I was talking about “speech”, something that is used to comunicate in a more sophisticated way than instinct’s “I’m hungry”, “Danger”, Follow me"…

You’re not much into reading, I get it. Okay, I will point it out for you:

Same page - on the bottom. Basically:

Gravitation = Physical, natural force. Undeniable Fact.

Gravitational Theory = Human attempt to describe and understand Gravitaton. Considered flawed and under constant further investigation.

Same goes for evolution.

So, because you don’t understand what they’re saying…

Also chimps and gorillas can be trained to talk in sign language.

A little off topic, but a great video on applying darwinian evolution to physics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRTfgQG5Yn8

Heh, that’s what I’m trying to say (about evolution). Then many of your friends that it’s rock solid and everyone who doesn’t believe in it is stupid…

Yeah, I bet they’re chatting about chicks…

-> copy what you’re doing to get a treat. Parrots also can imitate humans speech and some sentences even make sence but it doesn’t mean they understand it…

Ok, I pass, you’re right, I’m wrong. Everyone gets tired of constantly editing ones posts. You win…

Besides, I’m at work ;P.

Might be the best way of describing it.

Evolution is a fact, it’s the THEORY of evolution that is constantly being changed, i.e. the way we understand and perceive evolution and it’s causes and effects.

Because your posts were easily misunderstandable. You talked about “evolution” being “only a theory”. That is not the case. Evolution is a fact. There is also a theory to describe it, which is by definition flawed and has to be reconsidered as soon as counterevidence comes up. So far, however, no counterevidence has come up. Instead, tons of evidence SUPPORTING the theory of evolution have been gathered. And not out of selective perception. Imagine how famous a scientist could become by debunking the evolutional theory. There are plently of people around constantly looking for counterevidence, and not all of them are fundamentalist Christians.

I do believe that if the chimp knows that something will happen or that if it get something after it shows certain signs in a certain order, it pretty much knows what it means.

No hablo ingles ;P.

Gravity is undeniable. We can all see it working.
Gravitational theory is currently being developed because people still don’t know how it works.

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Human’s (because that’s what it’s all about) evolution isn’t proved yet, it’s existance is based on the Theory of evolution which is currently being developed.

That’s how I see it…

Damn it people, let me work in peace :stuck_out_tongue: .

Stop lurking the formus then.

So if humans don’t evolve, how come we have different skin colors and traits in different parts of the world?

Sorry, but evolution has been shown to be true, whether it’s for a horse or a human. Animals communicate but not in any language that a human can currently understand.

Yaro,

You claim people believe blindly because we see things different than you do. We think that you trust blindly becuase you see things different than we do - So, at what point should we look at fact to see what is true?

I used to believe what you did - Wholeheartedly. I still love the idea of Grace. It is very freeing for those who understand it. But even so, that freedom and liberty does not change facts.

Blindly? Does the reality that some of the folks here that are willing to accept new data as it comes along, make them blind? I am not quite understanding this? You do not know the science behind the “WHY” people hold to Evolution, but you generally say that folks are blind who do not accept what you do… That does not seem reasonable to me.

Do you accept that the universe is expanding? If so, why do accept that, and what is the reason behind it?

Do you accept that fosils are found in different layers of strata that index a very long time meter of history? iF not, why? What is the natural Law that accounts for this?

Have you questioned how the earth could have all the animals it does if the world was flooded to a depth of 22.5 feet above the highest mountain? (If we use the hebrew cubit of course) If so, how would animal popluation be sustained fpr each critter? How could they be found on every continent? What did the preditors eat? For that matter, how could a Quala bear survive on food other than its very specific diet? And more than that, how could the earth have flooded in the time frame of 40 days and nights, when to do so, it would mean that 7 drops of rain would have to be in the same space at the same time? (If we allow for an averaged 5mm sized drop.) Where did all the water go? Why is there so much oil if the earth is that young? And more so, why is there a very simular account in a history that predates the bible, and tells a simular, but different account, with the same folks?

And so forth.

Yaro, no one can fault you for having good intentions. Some, like myself may even respect that you have faith. The question is, WHY do you believe what you do. To you, the bible is God’s word and it is the truth? If so, then we should find evidence of this. What we find in the natural world tells a completely different story…

Science uses facts to create theories, religion uses theories to create facts.

So, geuss who’s really blind?

Yaro, have you any idea how ignorant this statement actually is? i do not mean ignorant as in you are stupid, I mean it as in how narrow the perspective, therefore not able to see a bigger picture…

Speak like a human? Why human? That is your religion talking. Dogs have an increadibly complex form of comunnications - Humans can and do learn some of it - it is called calming signals. It is basically mimiking some of the behaviours you see puppies doing for varoius reasons. If they are agitated, they start licking their lips - They are saying I am afraid, don’t hurt me - or, close to it. and so forth. Know what? Even older dogs understand that when they are agitated. If you have a nervous or over exighted dog, start flicking your tongue in and out over your lips. Know what happens most times? The dog will start to calm down. (Usually- if it is done properly - sometimes, you have to do more things) Point is, it works.

With chimps, when people see them, they give them a big ol’ smile - what the chimp understands is that you are angery at them. if you want to smile at a chimp, you have to cover your top teeth with your upper lip (Do not show white) and make a kind of gentle grunting sound. Know what? A chimp will respond positivly towards you - most times - depending on the situation.

If that is not communication, then what is?

Also, some dogs will pine when their master is gone - some dogs, will start damaging your furniture becuase they are upset. That would indicate emotions.

Cats have 44 chromosomes, while humans have 26 - What does that mean? Does that mean that they are more complex and/or better? Or does that mean that by random chance, we simply developed that way?

We could talk about increased information into the genome if you would like, and there we would find some serioulsy interesting stuff that DOES point to evolution as well.

Brother Yaro, the evidence for Evolution is everywhere if you are willing to look for it. It is with irony that some folks seem to search for “God” their whole life, and at the end, are never really sure if they found him. Shrugs.

That’s adaptation, not evolution. Evolution is the creation of new species.

Hey Mattemuse, I trust you are well?

That is one of the reasons that evolution can be hard to understand, because it is so gradual. If a changing skin color were to give a person a survival advantage though, would you then consider it evolution? In fact, having darker skin in a very hot region is a survival advantage in that it helps to protect against skin cancer. Not only that, but it is found within a population, not just a one off individual. Sounds like evolution to me…

Any thoughts?

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