Eucharistic Shenaninigans

Yeah, that really doesn’t make much sense. Are you being deliberately ignorant and trolling or does that actually form some sort of logic in your head? I would advise you to think about what you’ve put.

Fair point. I’m not exactly well-read in the detailed teachings of other religions, but on the whole the major religions - Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Christianity teach that you should do good deeds to your fellow man. Was there a specific sect or denomination that you were thinking of that doesn’t teach kindness and generosity?

Yes, when I find it to be morally outstanding for the majority of the time.

I think you might be missing the point a bit - man disobeyed God when he was tempted by the serpent. He didn’t have to know that it was wrong to do it, but he disobeyed. A child might disobey when they don’t fully understand the ramifications of their actions but they do it anyway. The point of the story is that it symbolises man’s flaws and inherent weaknesses. I don’t know how much sway the Church holds by the story or where the story came from in fact. I’m fairly sure there’s some key thing missing from my understanding of it, as I haven’t read that story in a while.
I see no reason to think that God doesn’t want us to be good. He gave us the ability to see right from wrong according to the Bible. Being on earth, a planet as shitty and awful as it is, is a pretty apt test for our perception of right and wrong. Or do you mean in Eden?
I don’t know what to make of the Garden of Eden story. It’s a nice idea, but it would seem strange that God would make something that is inherently flawed unless he had that idea from the start. But the whole point of paradise is that it is our reward. I like the idea of a test myself.

Because, in my experience, this is the only sort of happiness to me that has any sort of permanence to it. I’m talking more about the acts that come from the teachings of the religion. I don’t necessarily get the same amount of happiness from going to church, but it helps. I see where you’re going with this, but as I’ve said before, there is no logical paradox in the main teaching of the faith - loving your neighbour and your enemy as yourself makes complete sense to me, and I like the idea of setting an example. The idea of a God is a more difficult one, but it’s an idea that I’m prepared to face when I’m ready. I can find happiness in doing the same sort of thing but without religion, such as volunteer work abroad, but religion to me centralises my beliefs and gives me perspective on what I do in life.
I can’t say that I agree with people who think that religious people do good in their lives out of a selfish act of wanting to get to heaven. That doesn’t quite work out - the idea of heaven is so infinitely far away that the act we do in our life is completely separated from the idea of the reward. You do a good deed because it makes you feel good, because it is right.

Yeah, maybe I am more of a moralist. I see no problem with that though. The rest can come later. As I’ve said, I’m not the perfect candidate for your questions because I would be the first to admit that I’m not overly religious. My faith in God isn’t exactly strong.
I try to read philosophy as a sort of hobby. I’ve read parts of Locke, Rousseau, Nietchze, Machiavelli and C.S Lewis. I find it interesting, but I also find it hard to draw any satisfying conclusions from them. I particularly like Locke and Lewis however, as I tend to agree with them. I do agree though, that God’s teachings can be found there as well. Out of interest, what philosophy do you read and enjoy? Have they had a profound effect on your life?

It’s not as common in modern widely practiced faiths. Logically, such faith don’t adapt to the modern world well. The point being that a faith system isn’t really a sure path to discovering virtues.

Since nothing is forced on you, wouldn’t it make more sense where YOU determine what suits you best? Personally, I think it would be more satisfying to be able to look at my beliefs as a whole and feel good about them as a whole.

Actually I think the point here is that, to man, there simply is no concept of right or wrong. To obey or disobey god means little to man at the time, because he simply has no concept of it. It’s not that he doesn’t understand it, it’s that the very concept doesn’t exist. How can man be wrong if wrong doesn’t exist? According to the origin story, god may have allowed things to happen, but it seems pretty clear that man himself took the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong.

In that sense, it almost sounds like your spiritualism is used as a crutch. If you are strong in your beliefs, yet yielding to the possibility of change given logical argument, your beliefs should be able to stand up on their own. While I agree that sometimes focus is needed to think about things, but I’m not sure church, or places of religious worship are a neutral place to end up with uninfluenced personal discovery.

While many wouldn’t call it philosophy in the strictest sense, I like to read Dante, and Chaucer. I’m betting you’ll guess which works, as they each only have one ‘commercially’ successful work, and yes those are the ones I’ve read. While I don’t agree with them in the strictest sense, I find the imagery and ideas fascinating.

I’m not sure what your point is here. There are many causes of cancer: it can be hereditary, it can be caused by radiation and chemical damage etc. None of those require you to be unhealthy when you get it.

Healthy people DO often get cancer. I was a very fit and healthy individual when I was diagnosed. I’m way less healthy now, and…ehem ‘there is no tumor’ /arnold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BANkMaLJaY4

Sadly, that’s exactly my point.

Ya, I figured you got it. It was more directed at danson

They are Clinical trials, you’d know that if you would have watched Dying to have known.

So you’re saying that testimonies and medical reports is worth nothing? Sounds to me like you’re so close minded against nutritional cured that you’d rather die on chemo. Didn’t you see what TOP said???

Soup, if cured cancer patient testimonies and medical records isn’t good enough for you, then you would probably poison yourself with chemo and prescription drugs before changing your diet.

Listen, in New Brunswick, New Jersey they found that the reason for cancer is damaged proteins that weren’t discarded before doing the mitosis causing the genes to malfunctions.

https://www.scienceblog.com/cms/waste-disposal-protein-mechanism-behind-cancer-tumor-suppression-22143.html

If the damaged proteins would be discarded, the doctor in this article says that the cancer would literally fall apart. The only way to do that properly is to feed your body with so much nutrients that it discards waste product.

That’s not what I said at all. Yes lots of healthy people have cancer but some cells in these healthy people aren’t getting enough nutrition. Most of the energy taken by the body for the food is spent during the digestion process to create very healthy adult stem cells in the small intestine. That’s where the Norwalk Juice comes in, four 8 ounce glasses per day helps get more nutrition directly into the blood through the stomach wall.
Charlotte Gerson has 4juices/day. 70% of her diet is live food (plant life), she has no arthritis, she’s 84 and looks 70.

He is a doctor by the way, unlike most doctors these days he recommended natural vitamins and minerals, not chemicals.
According to his grave stone he still lived to be 99, a lot older than most North Americans these days. He did write a few books though which include

“Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices” which was written to better explain and emphasize the procedures and specific benefits of juicing. Raw carrot juice for instance is rich in Vitamins A, B, B, C, D, E, and K. Properly prepared raw carrot juice aids digestion and is valuable in the maintenance of the bone structure that supports our entire body, including the teeth. Even intestinal and liver diseases are sometimes due to the lack of certain vitamins and minerals found in raw carrot juice. Endive juice contains elements essential to the optic systems while the cucumber juice offers the best of diuretic qualities, what’s even better is that it’s pulp free. The list goes on. It is well worth one’s time to study the benefits derived from “fresh raw” juices. Actually, it’s worth far more than your time… after all, this is your health and your life. Take control, feel better, look younger, and enjoy your life more completely. You are worth it!

I said proper clinical trials. As in ones that are done fairly, have a test, a placebo and a control group and have adequate amounts of subjects.

Anecdotal evidence isn’t worth anything because it’s only one or two cases, not a controlled trial. I might know someone who has two hearts, doesn’t mean everyone has 'em.

I already eat healthily, so I see no need to change my diet. I’d rather not have coffee enemas and calve’s liver injections: they ain’t exactly healthy.

Why did you post that link if you didn’t even read the article?

Why would a specific kind of juice transfer more nutrients? Fruit juice is what it is, you either add shit, concentrate, or distil it.

“Some cells aren’t getting enough nutrition.” I can’t believe you actually said that. What, are their bodies being selective in where the blood goes?

None of this is based in science though, so it doesn’t really matter what he wrote.

Also, “natural vitamins and minerals” are chemicals.

You don’t know much in the way of science, do you?

No such thing as modern day miracles:

Of course there aren’t any modern day miracles, people would fall for anything back then.

Yeah, that was the purpose then; to prove Jesus was the son of God. But now we have all of that recorded in the Bible for us so that was our ‘one time.’ But even then people rejected Him as Christ (ie. the Jews that didn’t turn Christian).

That didn’t prove anything though, since it’s not possible to prove that they happened.

So…

God (through Jesus and otherwise) preformed miracles back then, when there existed no scientific method and thousands of highly superstitious folk willing to believe anything they see at the drop of a hat, but he refuses to do so now, when high definition cameras and scientific instruments could record the event for all to see and hear?

How convenient.

Or, Jesus’ teachings had nothing to do with ‘miracles,’ and his followers ascribed to him supernatural powers in order to convince others that their religious leader was greater than his rival sects.

I mean, isnt there an ongoing theological debate among religious historians over whether or not Jesus himself literally claimed to be the Son of God while he was alive and teaching his religion?

Huh. I hadn’t heard about that. Interesting.

If you look into it you will find that many theologians actively discuss and argue about things that most fundamentalist christians would find quite blasphemous.

Its actually quite amusing.

Ok I agree it happens every time you show an example, but how do we know that it won’t mess up next time, or the time after that, etc?

If Jesus had come now then 2000 years later people would be making the same argument.

Do elaborate. That’s quite interesting, I’ve not heard that.

Because of the literal TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of pieces of evidence that this NEVER happens. We know it won’t happen because of the nature of gravity. We know the nature of gravity because of our intense interaction with it on a by-nanosecond basis.

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