Drugs & Alcohol

The war on drugs is a fucking joke. Cigarettes cause massive damage to your body, but it’s still legal.

Let the people have a right to choose what they do to their own lives. Legalize it. Why the hell not?

Experienced true. I carried computers daily all over from here to there (about for 2 years) and I had 2 very small accidents trough. Both weed-free. More than that when stoned I prevented another accidents caused by blonde from village and another one by some crazy speed-breaker. (Maybe more slow-down intuitive impulses and foreseeability)
Virtual racing results with same effect. Not sure now if that cannot be taken like a doping trough online racing :slight_smile:

Aren’t all of them? You obviously know more about e than I do, but do different varieties make that much of a difference?

Yes. You gotta watch out the one you takes. There was a type that was widely available last year, it was called Number One. Sure you get frickin’ high, but it also makes a hole the size of a needle in your brain. But they’re not all like this. The ones I was takin’ we less tripin’, but atleast they didn’t damage my brain. I rarely do anything purely chemical these days tho.

While I’m not for the legality of certain hard drugs (methamphetamine, heroin, etcetera) I don’t think it’s the business of any government to tell people what substances they can put into their body or ingest. Some drugs are more harmful than others, though, and it’s clear why such substances are illegal; the lack of controls on potency and contents and side effects or consequences of overdosing can easily cause serious problems.

Having said that I can’t understand why less harmful substances are still illegal - first and foremost, cannabis. Where I live there are provisions for legal possession under certain circumstances, and there are many medical dispensaries that can legally sell and distribute to anyone who holds a state medical card. I expect it’s only a matter of time before it is legalized federally if not for tax revenue alone. From a safety perspective I wouldn’t consider it any more harmful to oneself than cigarettes or alcohol, both of which are legal substances, generate substantial amounts of tax revenue (cigarette taxes in some places cost more than the actual product), and have significant, proven health consequences over the long term (or in copious amounts in the short term), unlike cannabis.

That’s not to say there aren’t adverse health effects from the consumption of cannabis, but they affect different areas of the body and mind over different amounts of time. I fail to see how the responsible social and recreational use of cannabis by persons of legal age to do so is worse than the social or recreational usage of cigarettes or alcohol (which can turn into very serious addictions to the people consuming them if they are abused - I have good friends who were dealing with alcoholism before they could even drink by the word of the law).

While we’re on the subject I’m curious to know what you guys think about drug testing. I know there are probably a large group of people out there who are against drug screening simply because they take drugs. Even though I would legitimately pass such a screening, I am still completely against drug testing - what business is it of my (potential) employer what substances I introduce into my body in my own spare time? Testing for safety-sensitive positions, like pilots or drivers, and instant testing on the job for employees who are involved in accidents or are suspected of being under the influence are a different story and should be used whenever possible - while pre-employment testing is still an invasion of one’s privacy it should be expected for people who’s careers involve transporting large amounts of people safely.

Lots of people that drink are complete idiots too, the alcohol doesn’t change that at all aside from making it more pronounced. It’s the same for weed. It doesn’t make people do anything. There are idiots that smoke and idiots that drink and idiots that don’t do either.

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The last I heard there were no recorded deaths from solely consuming too much cannabis. There have been plenty of deaths from people consuming too much alcohol, be it from the alcohol itself or from the side effects (choking on their own vomit for instance). One argument for legalization was that by offering people who drink alcohol an alternative, legal substance that they can consume for purposes of recreation or otherwise, needless death by way of alcohol poisoning could be avoided.

Deaths caused by people impaired by something and deaths caused by something are two completely different things. While driving while intoxicated, drowsy, or under the influence of any substance is possibly one of the most foolish things you can do, I would rather share the road with high drivers, driving 10 below the speed limit, than drunk drivers. People who drive drunk are idiots and endanger not only their own lives but the lives of every innocent person who shares the road with them. Plenty of lives could be saved by outlawing alcohol if only for the fact that it would prevent drunk driving.

In the UK one of our government parties is declaring to add more information on beer, so when you buy a beer you’ll know how many centiliters is in it (I have no idea what a centiliter is or do I intend to, answers on a postcard please), calories (Why do I need to know that? I’m drinking for a reason…) and how much it is recommend I drink of it a day. But are these measures enough to keep the binge drinking culture away? And for any drinkers, will reading these additional details stop you from drinking too much or will you just drink the same?

I would hazard a guess that a centiliter is a 100th of a liter, just as a centimeter is a 100th of a meter.

if you saw that labeled on beer in a shop and it said so many centiliters of alchol were in it would it mean anything to you?

It most certainly would to me.

I know what a centilitre or a millilitre is.

A can of ice tea contains 33cl, a bottle of beer contains 25cl.

Oh and Ram, maybe centimetres aren’t very useful in science, but they are in everyday life.

How else are you going to compare penis lengths?

False. All MDMA has the potential to burn holes in your brain and destroy the capacity for seratonin production. It doesn’t matter what “type” of E you take, unless it doesn’t have MDMA in it.

i thought that only happen if you take too much in one go

By “potential” I mean under the right conditions this will happen. The right conditions being having a high concentration in your blood, which can be caused by either taking high doses, or taking low doses over a sustained period of time, or god knows what other combinations of physiology and pharmacology.

Some kinds of E probably have a lower dose of MDMA in it, hence making it less likely to burn a hole in your brain. At least I think that’s what Imonfire meant.

Yup.

Technically speaking, everything is toxic and/or harmful, depending on dosage. Too much plain ordinary water at once can cause water intoxication, swelling of the brain, and…death.

Being around drugs taught me the metric system and the basis of capitalism, something the American Education System failed to do.

+1 for drugs

True and irrelevant to the documented neurotoxicity of MDMA at recreational doses.

At least weed cannot harm you.

Don’t care, but weed is safer then alcohol I hear. Bring us the weed.

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