Yeh… only not.
These people talking about losing “faith” in the devs… Do you really think they care? And if you do, what makes you think that? Only a fraction of the team actually visits this forum. They miss one deadline and you have to rant on about nothing but the bullshit expectations you put into your own head, like thinking they should publicly release a demo or a beta, something they said would never be done. They aimed for a 2009 release and you’re acting like they didn’t actually want to release on time. But by all means, criticize them if it makes you feel better. But if you think your whining is going to make the mod come out faster, you’re an idiot.
Your resolution sucks, get a new monitor. :hmph:
The lines or the Santa hat?
It’s a laptop.
I don’t mean faith in the religious sense, but in the more general “trust without proof”.
And I wasn’t trying to affect the devs. Just the locals. 
in b4 “isn’t that what religion iz ahurr hurr.”
Are you guys going to change the FAQ on the front page that says you’re committed to releasing in 2009?
Isn’t that what religion iz? Ahurr hurr…
[EDIT]
No.
:facepalm:
I think it only right to voice my appreciation for the positions taken by both J-Dude and FeepingCreature in this forum. These two individuals have very intelligently presented their opinions, and have received an incredible amount of grief for it, none of which was warranted.
While J-Dude was met with an overwhelming display of hostile or otherwise insulting responses, his position was both well intended and thought provoking. Perhaps I do not share the intensity of his objections, but none the less I share the spirit of them. And many of you who have ridiculed him for intelligently voicing his share the spirit of his objections as well. Those of us who frequent the internet know too well how quickly hate filled posters can infect both people and ideas with both ignorance and unwarranted anger. Those of us who like to think of ourselves as mature forum goers, or internet users, are quick to take up arms against anyone who attempts to disrupt our virtual homes. And it is all too rare to find someone who, though angry (and maybe even wrong), expresses themselves intelligently and rationally. J-Dude has done so, and for that he has earned my appreciation.
Many of you, I believe, owe him an apology for your over zealousness, for even if it was well meant, it was never-the-less misplaced. Because even if you disagree with him, passionately, he is clearly an individual capable of rational discussion, and if you are incapable of meeting him on that level, then you have merely become that which you so desperately wish to label him as. Ignorant. And that is the very thing which fuels the hate induced flaming which you wish to avoid.
FeepingCreature has made a very sound argument as well, and I believe his point was ultimately misunderstood, or completely overlooked, by many of you. The situation here is not unique by any means, and is actually a great deal more tolerable than the practices of some independent developers. Case in point, Black Cat Games, the developers of Thievery and Alien Swarm (both fantastic games). The position of Black Cat developers is simply that, as has been said here, any news update or media release takes time away from development, and so the cliché question put to their expectant fans is always “what would you rather us be doing, updating the news page or developing the game?”
A loaded question indeed, but three years later, and not a single update, and suddenly you begin to reevaluate your position. Granted, Black Cat is notorious for this sort of thing, and the Black Mesa Developers are not, but this context brings to light FeepingCreature’s point, which is that ultimately the community needs some sort of reassurance to maintain their interest in the project. Granted, many of you would argue that what we have received is enough, and everyone else is simply being impatient. What you need to recognize is that your opinion is simply your own, and it in no way should govern the opinion of others.
Yes, some people who post here are merely whining or are being irrationally impatient, but those people are easy to spot. They’re the ones with the two line posts that demonstrate nothing but self interest. FeepingCreature and J-Dude are not those people. Though you may call their posts self interested, they’re describing motivations that are a great deal more complex. They’re expressing a sense of loss or an emotional pain that stems from the emotional investment they’ve placed in the mod and its community. More over, J-Dude is arguing for something that scant few of you seem to appreciate: Accountability.
You say that the 2009 release goal was merely something the developers set to help motivate themselves, rather than a commitment to their fans. I disagree. If it was merely a motivational goal, then they had no need to dangle it in front of us, unless doing so was what made it a good motivator. If that is the case, then the only reason it works as a motivational tool is because they don’t want to let us, the fans, down. Because of this, J-Dude is entirely justified in expressing his disappointment with their failure to succeed. If we cannot hold them accountable to their goals, then they have no reason to hold themselves accountable either.
You may object to how J-Dude expressed himself, but for all of your objections, he has by far the most reasoned and mature position of all of you. Case in point: anyone who uses the phrase “we owe them [etc]” has made a childish assumption and needs to rethink their statement.
Yes it is.
Edit: Oh shit massive ninja. It was a reply to Dillxn’s “in b4 “isn’t that what religion iz ahurr hurr.””
Has to be dup. accounts. They all post in the same mannerisms and I doubt there’s this many lurkers who feel the same and can actually type well at the same time.
Edit: Oh, and all admitting their unwavering love for J-Dude.
Even if you never know the truth of it, the forum admins likely have the ability to check the IP addresses of their posters. I am no dup of J-Dude or Creature.
Regardless, the validity of an objective argument is not undermined merely by “who” is making it. If you disregard what I’ve said because you “believe” I’m someone else, then you are foolish, and your opinions are nothing but your own.
Whether you’re posting as a duped account of the other two or not, you’re an idiot.
I mean come on… actually agreeing with someone who starts off by trying to relate the delay of the mod to suicide?
Any kid an his mother can use a proxy. It’s not that hard really. And simply because the post is made intelligently, it doesn’t mean the subject is also intelligent. The points have been made on both sides so it would be redundant to re-post them here. Your attempt to continue trolling is getting old.
You have both successfully demonstrated the use of the Ad Hominem Fallicy. Congratulations. When you have something meaninful to add, please feel free to do so, until then, consider yourselves ignored.
