Battlefield 4

Technology and Gaming
#1

Well, I guess EA is finally ready to shoot themselves in the head…
Battlefield 4 Beta
I love Battlefield more than most hardcore fans, but come on Battlefield 2 had to wait 5 years for a proper sequel, so that the whole game experience would be fresh(new engine, new mechanics, weapons, gameplay, ect.), but now thwy’re trying to force another one out of the woodworks in 2013. I know this is nothing compared to yearly CoD, but some on we all can see that this is one of EA’s sloppy ploys to compete with Activision and retrieve consumers money. There haven’t even been any spin-offs like Bad Company 3 yet.

What are your opinions on this. I guess I might be a little overreacting.

#2

You expected something reasonable out of EA? After all they’ve been doing lately? Oh man.

#3

Probably.

quick releases is nothing new for DICE. Look at the gaps between 1942 - Vietnam - 2 - 2142. They are pretty damn small.

Now I will agree with you IF instead of focusing on a new setting and adding a lot of new stuff (2142 sequel, full fledged WW2 setting, SOMETHING) they make it modern again…that would just piss me off.

All the other titles were good because they didn’t replace the previous one. 1942, Vietnam, 2, 2142 were all contained experiences that felt different from each other. I’d rather not have a BF4 that just makes BF3 obsolete.

#4

This is what I mean, I want to see a new 2142 and a Vietnam. At the rate it’s going though, it looks like it’s going to be another Modern shooter continuing from 3’s campaign.

#5

lol that campaign that like 10% of players care about?

I don’t see why, that thing was pretty crappy and actually got criticized in the reviews. But modern shooters are the trend still, so until that gets kicked out the window I guess I should expect otherwise.

I do think a campaign for a 2143 where you give orders to a squad (to prepare you for commanding squads online) could be pretty cool. Though even if they did make a sequel to 2142 I think they’d probably miss the point of the game entirely.

Aside from having a lot of cool stuff, the brilliance (dare I say?) of 2142 was the player-controlled career unlocks, and the refined squad system from BF2.

Without that it, like BF3, will probably be a shell of its precursor. I mean BF3 is damn fun, but BF2 and 2142 especially had a lot of servers were you’d jump in a squad and people would be communicating and working together without even playing with their friends or being in a clan.

I just want to see Titan mode return in some form. I honestly had more fun on that mode then I ever did on Conquest or Rush.

#6

Oh EA, you self diluting, putrid mass of fucking insulant greedy cunts.

Keep going.
Nail after nail, hammering your own coffin.
I want to Remember the day I read ‘Low on Popularity, Low on ideas, Low on Cash?: EA declares bankruptcy’ as a news article.
Keep going.
I want to see you rocket propelled Train of failure reach the end of it’s already shortening tracks.

I want to watch you die, EA, and I’m glad to see you’re making progress on that.

#7

I’d gladly watch EA die, but I don’t want DICE to go down with them. As much as they are stagnating with their games, you can tell they still try to do some things for their core fanbase, however diluted the end result may be.

#8

Wow! Yet no one mentions Call of Duty which is ripping ideas pioneered by Deus Ex and Back to the Future.

Believe me, I have complete justification to say that. I played and liked Call of Duty 1 when I was 8 years old in 2003. My dad soon told me of a game where you could interact with almost anything…Half-Life 2 which I first saw at my uncle’s house. His computer had 4 gigs of ram which was pretty impressive in 2004. With a pentium or duo I think 2.4ghz. I cannot fully remember. Nvidia Card possibly. Must have been a Pentium or other…because core 2 duo did not exist yet.

#9

At least CoD is finally ripping from something else other than…itself

I’m actually interested in seeing how Blops 2 turns out, even if I don’t end up buying it myself

Besides, ripping on CoD is so several months ago

#10

I remember when I learned how to modify the weapon configuration files. I bet they are the exact same file type and method of modification. But yeah the atmospheres of Deus Ex and Back to the Future are evident. Desert and horses? The art style is semi-reminiscent of Deus Ex:HR. Don’t really view this as good. Half-Life ripped from Alien but barely.

#11

I wouldn’t mind seeing EA crumble as well, but if DICE & Criterion games come out unscathed I’ll be happy :slight_smile: Mostly because I hate seeing them turn into the new NFS developers while I’ve been waiting for a nice follow up from Burnout Paradise minus their crash spin-off which I’ve yet to upgrade from the demo. One thing that I really wish that developers would do is that they give the remaining fans of the game the sdk kits they used when they made the game to the fans so that they can personally bend the game to their whim since they don’t see it reasonable to keep it going. Back onto Battlefield 4, I’m fairly sure to keep most of the racket down the beta will only apply to PC users since this might be that calming before the storm period when new consoles start churning up into the works. Or this sudden new announcement for a major game in terms of technology being put into might give the push to put something new out as well. It’s all speculation though which I take with a grain of salt unless I hear it straight from the horses mouth…

#12

I could not agree more.

#13

I would rather have Mirror’s Edge 2 instead of military shooter No 283737373,but DICE said that they are considering it…for three years now that is :frowning: but I hope that it will come out eventually.

#14

This really annoys me. That’s what makes the Battlefield games so much better than any other modern shooter series- the massive amount of time and effort put into each subsequent release. If they release a new Battlefield in 2013/2014, I feel like it will be too similar to Battlefield 3, with DICE in danger of becoming the new Infinity Ward, releasing games on an annual/biannual basis which, as we can see from the Modern Warfare games, severely reduces the quality of the finished product. The crowning feature of Battlefield 3, apart from the trademark Battlefield gameplay, was the fact that it was using the most advanced games engine in the world. Now, unless DICE have been secretly working on Frostbite 3 intensively since BF3 was released, I don’t see BF4 using an engine any more advanced than FB2, maybe FB2.5 tops. Which isn’t great.

As has been said above, EA is Driving DICE down the Activision route - ie. spewing out more almost-identical games with a couple of new features for gullible consumers to buy into after their current model has become obsolete. Kinda like Apple as well. The thing is, DICE is a great developer, but they’re stuck with EA, who are without a shadow of a doubt the most greedy, selfish publisher out there. I guarantee this wouldn’t happen if they were with anybody else (except Activision).

Needless to say that, unless BF4 comes out in at least 2014 with a totally game-changing array of features and a totally new engine, I shall not be buying it.

#15

Yeah and i know everything about the game
If this is BF3 in WW2 then count me in

#16

What is wrong with Frostbite 2? It’s pretty heavily optimized (ultra slows down but high looks 99% as good and runs smooth) while still being one of the best looking engines of today. I doubt Dice will go down the road of making every new game look exactly the same graphics-wise. Even if it’s an incremental bump up I’ll be satisfied with it. They haven’t made four games in four years with the same exact engine, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

#17

Don’t get me wrong, as I said above I think Frostbite 2 is the world’s best game engine. But if DICE get into the habit of releasing multiple titles in a single series running on the same engine without any significant improvements, a CoD-like scenario could result. Do you want a BF4 in 2013 on Frostbite 2 and a BF5 in 2015 on Frostbite 2.5, or a BF4 in 2015 on Frostbite 3? Frostbite isn’t an engine like source which can be continually tweaked and renewed for a decade and still hold weight - it needs significant amount of work to improve.

#18

No, of course I want improvements. CoD has been incredibly lazy when it comes to the engine. However, I’m more concerned about the gameplay than the graphics. I can live with an improved if not completely redone engine if they change the era. Modern shooters, besides Arma, are pretty boring nowadays.

#19

Battlefield 3 was one of the shittiest games i have ever played. Way too much hype with little delivery.

#20

Holy shit, the engine is fine. It already looks better than a lot of other games, you are complaining about BF4 for things that DICE has been known for doing.

Just because they don’t update their engine doesn’t automatically mean that they will turn into IW and pump stale games out.

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