Did you actually not catch my giant neon glowing sarcasm? I’m not christian, I was just trolling to see if someone would pick up the bait. :retard:
Well, yes, I quoted you, but it was more of a general question. To everyone here, Atheist or otherwise, do you think this study has much moral/ethical/scientific grounding to make it plausible?
And mattemuse, after picking through a couple of your posts, I’ve come to the conclusion that you have quite a bit more intelligence than the average fourmite. That said, there’s exceptions to that rule.
Some people believe it does.
Conjuring tequila out of thin air can be done by street magicians today.
Something more fantastic than that would be required to make me begin to question whether he was God or not. Something like causing every single amputee on the planet, simultaneously, to spontaneously regenerate their lost limbs, and broadcasting to everyone on the planet simultaneously that he will do it BEFORE he does it.
And even then, I’d be dubious about this person being “God”. I’m reminded of a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode called “Devil’s Due”. In it, we’re introduced to a world with a fearful deity known as “Ardra” who protected the planet for many thousands of years but would eventually return for repayment. A creature appears calling herself Ardra and sought to enslave the people (as per the theology). To prove she was the theological Ardra, she caused worldwide quakes on command and caused people to summarily vanish, and appearing as “all evil deities” (including Fek’lhr of Klingon and Satan of Earth). It is revealed that Ardra is simply an alien with access to resonance emitters (causing the quakes), holographic emitters (making her ‘change shape’) and transporter technology.
I’d have to question whether this being calling himself “God”, with his splendiferous “magic”, is not simply a being like Ardra who has simply access to technology that we currently don’t.
[align=center]“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” --Arthur C. Clarke[/align]
I don’t really know what it would take to make me believe in God, but one thing’s for certain, the God described by too many Christians is simply one I don’t want to believe in.
My parents are perfectly fine with it even though they are Roman Catholics they encouraged us to make our own choices religion-wise at an early age which in my opinion was great parenting. So I never got to experience one of those crazy stories of people disowning their children for religious differences.
I could’ve sworn that you’d mentioned you were Athiest or at least non-religious earlier in the thread. I just couldn’t be arsed into looking.
My mistake. Derp.
This guy did an excellent (still ongoing i think) video series on youtube about his deconversion from christian to atheist. Even if you’re rock solid in your beliefs it’s still worth a watch, besides this guy was some kind of super christian to begin with.
introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOmSYHzeoNA
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12rP8ybp13s
Even though I’ve been an atheist for pretty much all my life, it was still a very interesting watch and especially well made.
If there was undeniable proof for a god, I’d still be an athiest (as in, non-religious) because he’s not exactly done enough to earn my worship. Sure, he made the universe and whatnot, but, hell, he’s an all-powerful deity. I think I’d try to worship if it was the Catholic god, seeing as I’d be fearing an eternity of terrible, terrible agony, but if it was the wish-washy Protestant god I’d carry on doing what I’m doing.
To me, if God was as wrathful as many Catholics believe he is, I wouldn’t worship him. In fact, I would hate him. Think about it this way:
You have a being of such power as to be able to create the entire universe full of billions of galaxies with hundreds of millions of stars each…and demands the praise of a relatively newborn species of Primates or he’ll torture them for eternity?
Doesn’t that sound…infinitely petty and childish to ANY religious person?
I mean, I wouldn’t worship an abusive spouse (“love me unconditionally or I’ll hurt you”) and he/she doesn’t have the penultimate power that a creator-deity has.
Correction: hundreds of billions of galaxies each filled with trillions of planets and hundreds of billions of stars
You get my point.
Except that he didn’t create all that. Even if he did, the universe started as an infinitely dense singularity of some kind (for details, view BigBang theory)
After the inflation the universe became what it is now over the course of billions of years, all the planets and other heavier elements were not created by a God, they were created by the process of nuclear fusion that powers every star (including the Sun) in our universe. Everything you see around you on this planet is made out of particles that were fused together more than five billion years ago when a gigantic star much more massive then the sun exploded (supernova) and left behind the resources it had created needed for gravity to create the solar system we live in today.
Isn’t science a great thing?
Er, yes, I know all that. I was responding to a hypothetical “If God exists and came up to you on the street, would you still not believe?”
I would believe (if I was given undeniable evidence – of which, I don’t know what would be required knowing what I know about the universe), and, in the case of the characteristics given to God by many Catholics, I would not worship. In fact, I would do everything in my fruitless power to try to stop him. An extraordinarily petty being with phenomenal cosmic power? Sounds like the most dangerous tyrant to ever exist.
was awhile since i watched this but this guy tries to explain how a universe can have come into being from nothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
More or less that the net energy in the universe amounts to 0.
More than 90% of humanity does not, even if I can brighten up one mind I consider it a full victory.
More than 90% of humanity does not believe that, if you step out of line with God, you won’t be punished?
Sorry, but I don’t feel the need for “mind brightening”. I’m extraordinarily happy that the God of the Abrahamic religions does not exist. A phenomenally dangerous tyrant deity that exists only in the pages of a book is not scary to me. I don’t lie awake at night fearing that Lord Voldemort will do me in for being a muggle.
Education is a big issue, I doubt the average male in Africa knows what nuclear fusion is.
Also there’s nothing to believe, it’s all right there infront of your eyes (not pointing this towards you).
You didn’t answer my question and, instead, snipped off a very relevant portion of the question. How about answering it without diversion this time?
Lets just say I could wipe my ass with pages from the Bible, that´s how much I fear an entity that doesn´t exist.
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You’re not going to answer my question and back up your assertion, are you? You claimed that 90% of the human population does not believe that their deity is NOT phenomenally petty (punishment for not believing or punishment for not following God’s word). I want you to back that up.