I personally don’t think Al Gore is an idiot. He is trying to do good and advocate awareness. I mean, he didn’t get a Nobel Peace Prize for just being popular
I was mainly asking what you [Dino] meant by “average,” since the people in the states who think he’s explicitly an idiot are the types who truly think Obama is comparable to Hitler.
which makes no sense… facism is extreme conservatism… I mean wtf. If you’re going to call him a political extremist, at least pin him on the right side of the continuum.
But seriously, those that compare Obama to Hitler also claim that fascism is something that it isn’t. Fascism has two main thrusts. On the social end, nationalism via authoritarianism. On the economic end, corporatist policies which did things like banning the formation of unions.
I agree with you; if they’re going to be hyperbolic, as least get the side correctly. Obama is “STALIN!”, not “HITLER!”.
(Of course, I disagree with the notion that Obama is “left” at all; he’s more center-right than anything and it’s hurting him politically when he tries to work with those that refuse to do anything he wants because they want to “break him”.)
[COLOR=‘Black’]“If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.” --Jim DeMint (R-SC)
facepalm. Surely Lenin would be a better example? Or Stalin? Or Castro?
Very witty. You do know that there is no debate, right? The whole concept of the ‘debate’ has been manufactured by politicians who don’t believe in global warming, but all the actual scientists are in absolute agreement about the existence of global warming, and that it is humanity that caused it.
Actually, the science wasn’t settled back then. The Church was heavily involved in propaganda and changing the facts to fit their beliefs (changing of facts to suit an agenda). In fact, when REAL scientists such as Galileo attempted to go against Church doctrine, they were punished harshly. It had nothing to do with denying Church doctrine; it just had to do with saying what they saw.
Today, the deniers provide absolutely no facts. They are heavily involved in propaganda and changing the facts to fit their beliefs. When REAL scientists attempted to go against the denier’s doctrine, they were ridiculed and had cartoon caricatures about them made (“Manbearpig!”).
Sure, it’s not the dungeon and we’re a lot better now than we were back then, but every bit of unbiased evidence points to anthropogenic climate change. There is not one bit of unbiased evidence that points to anything else.
In your images, the Global Warming deniers are the ones saying that the science is settled.
And even if you do think that the Earth is just going through a natural warming cycle (which it probably is; we’re in an ice age after all), it’s impossible to say that we’re not contributing to the warming. We’re dumping 3 trillion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year, never mind other green house gases.
Yes, but saying we are helping along a natural warming cycle and saying we are destroying the world and dooming us all are two entirely different view points.
Also, the reason I don’t like Al Gore is because apparently he promoted that movie “An Inconvenient Truth” in a gas guzzling private jet and that his house was using more than the average energy consumption. I applaud him for trying, and then choose to ignore his extremist hypocritical statements.
Actually, it isn’t. It’s like putting a motor on a sailboat. You are amplifying the natural warming cycle. It probably won’t doom the planet. The Homo sapiens on the planet, however…
So, because the messenger is viewed as a hypocrite, the message is wrong?
Isn’t it ultimately irrelevant who or what is causing climate change? If the change is detrimental to us and our planet, we should do something about it, regardless of the cause.
Did you read what I wrote? I said I applaud him for trying, but feel the man is a complete moron for being such a blatant hypocrite. Don’t make a movie telling me how much I’m destroying the world if you yourself are just going to do it 3 times more than me.
Also, I would again like to point out that I never said Global Warming was false, simply that the extremists are going overboard. I also said somewhere that I support things like fuel efficient cars, energy efficient technology, and recycling, just that the government doesn’t need to spend tons of money forcing people to do it with outrages demands.
Al Gore is not a leader. He’s a celebrity messenger.
I think you are wrong on that. There’s no hard date to stop it beyond which there’s a point of no return. The Mayans didn’t suggest the end of the world. They suggested the end of an era – the end of the old calendar – and the beginning of another one.
Didn’t stop Hollywood from coming up with an extremely dumb disaster movie, though.
That doesn’t make what he’s saying wrong, though. People attempt to focus on this “hypocrisy” and then say that the message is wrong because of it. And if his “3 times more” leads to “thousands of times less”, isn’t it a good investment?
Or is the fact that “Al Gore is Rich and Has a Big House” make anything he say bogus? Should he go the Daryl Hannah route so people believe his message?
(By the way, he pays out the nose for carbon offsets to neutralize his footprint…something commonly ignored by those that criticize him.)[/SIZE]
I don’t really think they are going overboard. What demands has the government forced anyone to do that is “outrages” i[/i]?
I never said he was wrong. Once again you are assuming that because I hate the man, I immediately claim nothing he says is right. I’ve never said that, simply that I don’t care to listen to what he’s saying because what’s the point of hearing it from a complete hypocrite? :meh:
Also, no the fact that he’s rich is completely irrelevant. I can’t stand those people who think that way and am actually a supporter of the idea that successful people should be allowed to keep what they earn.
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