deliberately(1) not answering a very simple question because it is deemed too sarcastic and not smart enough while trying to turn the argument fallaciously with an unrelated question
way to go!(2)
(1)and delightfully! <3
(2)hint: you’re actually giving a bad rep to the few religious people with insight
I don’t mean to be but you’re missing my point. Historical fiction is still fiction. There was no Jack Dawson on the Titanic, though Molly Brown was. Harry Potter visits King’s Cross Station.
Once again, even though it appears that Mohammed is talking about revolutionary science that was not available during his time (even though it was and the Qur’an suggests that the Earth is flat), you’re missing my point:
The events don’t matter.
The characters don’t matter.
The message matters.
Once again, without sarcasm intended or any other kind of ill motive, please tell me how the Qur’an is different from Star Wars. Dodging this question is giving me the impression that you don’t have an answer. Please illuminate me.
Thank you very much.
no shit! so they brought 4 pregnant girls, cut them open and defined each of embryos by their “age”, hmmm sounds logical to me 
as for Daniel, no am not dodging your question, and if I didn’t know the answer I’ll simply tell ya that, now the thing that bothers me that why are you still convinced that the Qur’an is fictional book with fairy tales in it, as for the “flat earth” thing, if you knew Arabic you wouldn’t even think like that, you would’ve understood the Qur’an more than any “best translated” Qur’an in the World
Medical knowledge in the 7th century was more advanced than that.
I’m trying to figure out why you’re convince that the Qur’an isn’t fictional. The Qur’an suggests that the Earth is a “carpet” (Qur’an 20:53, for example). It wouldn’t use this kind of language if it were describing a spherical object. The Bible has the same problems so I’m not making a judgement call here. I’m just suggesting that the Qur’an and the Bible used the best evidence available at the time… a lot of which was later to be found to be wrong.
Now, answer the question you’re still refusing the answer (how this is not a dodge, I’m not sure):
How is the Qur’an different from Star Wars?
you’re confusing me man :S, I am not a fan of Star Wars (no that doesn’t mean I don’t like it) so I have no Idea about the “difference” you’re talking about 
He’s asking why the Qur’an should be considered any less fictional than Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings, or whatever, regardless of the message it holds.
I told him but he said that I should put real events and characters that were mentioned in the Qur’an aside, so…that’s why am still confused
Star Wars mentions humans. Harry Potter mention real-life locations. Lord of the Rings also mentions humans and has links to the real world.
This does not make them true, just like mentioning real things in the Qur’an doesn’t make it true. That was his point.
I can write a book today (and not sign it with my name). This book will have magnificent tales of heroism and honor involving people around me right now. It could have my father starring as a poor farmer that worked so hard he reached a certain point of enlightenment, in said enlightenment he’ll hear the words of God our Father and he’d live the rest of his life helping others, much to the disdain of selfish people.
It’ll be an epic story of a real character (my father) covered over 2000 pages. A thrilling rollercoaster of intrigue and moral and above all: of love.
Nobody will buy this book because it’ll suck, but in 1000 years from now, some soul will find that book in the Ancient Libraries of the Past and read it. That person might go “Dear me! This book makes so much sense! That Freddy sure is an awesome person for helping people like that! I’m going to follow his ways and do the things he does!”. So he starts talking about it to others and they start following the Messiah Freddy. A religion is born.
Many years later, the religion has grown to have millions of followers. They all follow this ancient book of Freddy, the ancient book that holds magnificent tales of he who did what was right in the name of our maker.
I’m not saying this is how the Bible and Qu’ran and any other holy scripture has started, but to me this scenario is as possible as the scenario of the “actual final words of God”.
The day is once saved by an analogy, perhaps this can help explain the question more to Shadi.
Really, the intentions of the author aren’t important but what other people say about it. Once again I’ll bring the Caesar example. I bet that you’ve never bothered to check the historical sources of the facts about Caesar, at least I didn’t. Most people just assume that Historians did a fine job, so they trust their judgment. The same mechanism apply to religion. People just assume that what they are told about God is true. And really, it’s not important what some “holy” book says about God - for example, most of the Catholics haven’t even read Bible once in their life. I’m not saying anything whether it’s logical or not - it’s just how things work.
The problem is that you are focusing on some objects (i.e. books) instead of trying to understand some social behaviour. People in general aren’t aware of the strings that control their actions and thoughts. That’s why I think that your questions are pointless.
OK. Star Wars/Harry Potter are fictional books that are made by human authors and they document the story of fictional characters throughout some part of their lives.
The Quran is a book of guidance for the followers of Islam, and even non-muslims, if they so wish. It narrates through actual historical events and (along with the Hadith) provides a set of rules as to how a Muslim should live their life in this world to gain maximum benefit in the afterlife.
Star Wars could easily be seen as a source of guidance and also has rules of how people should live their lives.
You still haven’t mentioned a real difference, besides the fact that the Qur’an mentions some real events.
A good deal of people believe that the Star Trek series is actually a set of documents from the future. How is their belief any less unfounded than that of other religions?
Shadi, I know this seems like we’re belittling your religion, but we really aren’t: we seriously don’t see the difference.
Ask a Muslim: do you smoke hookah and if so what tobacco (moassel) do you like
lol
see how this works?
You won’t get an answer for that, you wouldn’t understand it anyway. No, seriously, if you haven’t been raised in any religion then you’ll never know what does it mean to believe in God.
I like it how you refuse to try and explain anything and leave us with “you just don’t get it”.
And you want to get a LOGICAL argument for belief in God? Then, sorry for disappointing you, but there is none, believing in God is NOT a matter of logical choice. So basically yes, you just don’t get it.
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