Why is Shadi against Qur’anic teachings?
He’s not. From his point of view, since the word of god is the final word, he thinks that our theories of human evolution are incorrect.
But, he says that the Qur’an instructs Muslims to educate themselves. Since there is extraordinary evidence for humans having a common ancestor, to deny this is to deny that teaching.
I’m still failing to see how the Qur’an’s view on God’s creation of man is incompatible with a theory of evolution that includes man.
It’s doublethink, the ability to hold several conflicting ideas in one’s head while simultaneously accepting and rejecting all of them.
Shadi can call upon the Qur’an as the word of god, therefore infallible and true. The Qu’ran instructs Muslims to educate themselves. You say this means learning about evolution. But the Qur’an disputes the claim that humans evolved.
Shadi can say the Qu’ran is right, therefore he must learn about evolution. But since the Qur’an is right, humans cannot evolve, depsite evidence to the contrary. By consistently using the holy book as mental support he can successfully utilise doublethink to believe both of these contradictory facts.
It’s not logical, but it works.
It does?
I guess this concept of “doublethink” is something extremely alien to me. I can’t think of something where I can believe two incompatible things are the true at the same time.
It’s not that they are true, it’s that you force yourself to believe they are.
The Qur’an doesn’t dispute human evolution directly, but it does hint at them having a divine creation rather than a primate ancestor.
It’s not incompatible, it’s just that, according to Allah, we’re wrong about the human aspect of evolution.
brb, killing self to say “no u” to Allah.
Why believe in human evolution up until a certain point?
Isn’t the idea behind the “creation” that Allah/God created man to his own image and spirit, that he created a perfect creature? If humans did evolve form “shitty primitive human” to “better modern human”, then how would that make sense in the whole creation bit?
And why would Allah/God create the “shitty primitive humans” to be his “children”, and not just the “better modern human” from the start?
Even from a religious point of view, the divine creation of single-cell organisms that then evolved into the vast variety of animal species we know today (including humans) sounds more plausible and reasonable than “He created some prototype human that had to evolve on its own to be mildly usable.”
Because your religion says it’s correct in the other areas?
Like I said, the belief of two incompatible things being true is an alien concept to me. If there is a conflict, I find out which is actually real and then discard, in my mind, the ‘wrong’ one.
As for the Qur’an, I’m still failing to see how “divine creation” is incompatible with “primate ancestor”. I’ve never understood that. Why can’t God, Allah, or whatever use the forces of nature to ‘create’ man from “primate ancestors”?
That’s logical reasoning though, not doublethink. It’s really a system of mental cheating, to get around logical eliminators.
He’s not “doublethinking” though. He simply holds that theories of human evolution are incorrect, because god said so. It’s quite simple.
pretty much it, but sadly none of them even read my previous posts and simply ignore them by using the excuse that am dancing around the Question…
To be honest, you were dancing around the question. The answer had already been given a few pages back (albeit in another discussion), but still.
I have a question: what exactly does the Qur’an say about the creation of man?
good question : now lemme go back for a bit, I remember one of you folks said that God made us in his image, now where did that come from ? I don’t really remember that it was mentioned somewhere that we were made in his Image, so anyways, as for your question : according the Qur’an and Hadiths : God considers us as his best Creation, even better than Angels, he created Humans from Clay and he perfected us, oh and I just read that why Humans were made from Clay, our bodies consists of lotta of minerals right ? and most of these minerals comes from Clay, and you were rights guys and am sorry about not agreeing with you about one thing, it’s been confirmed in the Qur’an that we were made from a Single Cell, it all relates now, that we were made from Clay and the Cell originated from it right ? but the only thing that matters here that God put a soul in this Cell and he perfected it to be what we know now “the Man”.
I know am not a good explainer but I hope that I cleared some things.
But you were saying that we hadn’t evolved… I’m so confused.
did you honestly read my post ?
Yes. But you’d been saying, in this and other threads, that humans hadn’t evolved, full stop.
Using an irrefutable truth is a primary method of doublethink. God said to educate myself, so I’ll learn about evolution. God says humans didn’t evolve. Well I know there’s evidence against that but god is always right.