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There is no doubt that in Islam homosexuality is considered ‘sinful’. Homosexuality as far as Islam is concerned is a profound mistake ( as are all sins if they are not intending to do wrong). Humans are not homosexuals by nature. People become homosexuals because of their environments. Particularly critical is the environment during puberty. Suggestions, ideas & strange dreams are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are rashly interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality or another. If these conclusions are accompanied by actual homosexual acts they are even more strongly reinforced.

Human instincts can be subjected to acts of will. Sexuality is a choice of identity which follows choices of action which follow from choices of what to have sexual fantasies about. Human beings are especially able to control their thoughts, entertaining some and dismissing others.

However, if this free will is not recognized it is easy to get into a cycle of thinking which starts from accepting a hypothesis about yourself as true rather than as a possible choice (even if the options are sometimes difficult).For example: "I am lazy " could be supposed true by someone. When the person who thinks this lies around in bed in the morning he observes this inaction as evidence of the statement “I am lazy.” As he repeatedly chooses to do so the evidence mounts and the idea becomes fixed in his identity. It may even have physical manifestations and change his physiology and psychology. This process can easily occur for any idea good or bad about the self which is based largely on evidence resulting from ones own action. The idea may be “I am ‘gay’” or “I am content” or “I love eating lots of food”. The truth is - you are what you choose to be ; you do what you choose to do ; you think what you choose to think. There may be long time delays between the causing choices and the effects but anyone can change themselves. There are reformed ex-drug addicts, reformed ex-compulsive gamblers and ex-homosexuals. In all these sins prevention is 1000 times better than cure and much easier.

It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this ‘predisposition’ are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism .It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men’s genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don’t make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful. Drinking alcohol will still be regarded as sinful in Islam even if you have a predisposition to be an alcoholic. The trick as every post alcoholic will tell you is never touch another drop after you quit - it is a long slippery slope - your life is better without it. Once a certain desire is connected to your identity strongly and you get in some way hooked on it, it will always be easy to return to it - you are unable to forget the satisfaction. The difficult task is remembering the bad side of the desire, such as hangovers, lost money, self loathing or a simply sense of loss because of what you missed out on. But if you are to change for the better, you must remember this and the past desires you bound up with your identity can become disconnected from what you choose to become.

This is demonstrably incorrect. As, unfortunately, is the rest of your post.

If you do not believe in the Islam faith, are you condemned?

define of what kind of Belief :stuck_out_tongue:

Please respond to this:

If you do not believe in the teachings of the Islam religion, and you do not follow any of the teachings, are you condemned?

why Should I ? the Guy won’t believe what I said so why should I bother ?

will if you were a Muslim then Of course, but as for non-Muslims I really don’t know but all I can tell you that Islam is the Final way through God but you can only accept Islam by “Only” your Choice and not by force like some Idiots think.

Ok so since Islam is the only way to God, then I’m not fulfilling that and therefore I will be condemned?

You’re probably right. I don’t believe in things that are demonstrably false. If you want to believe that the moon is made of cheese, then be my guest. I’m just trying to figure out what led you to that belief.

Can you assist at all? I won’t be able to believe what you said about your belief, but I would love to hear how you came to that assumption. Might make for better understanding of the issue.

I dunno… you could back up your claims?

no we don’t believe the Moon was made from Cheese

no we don’t believe the Earth was 6000 years old

yes we do believe in science but the only thing we don’t believe in is that we didn’t evolve from apes

and as for the Homosexuality Issue, I tried to explain it in the best way I can but you guys ain’t “Willing” to at least on considering a Word I say, so I I won’t bother if no one is willing to listen.

maybe yes or maybe no, am not god to judge whomever I want to condemn or to bless it’s only god who do so.

Good, because no scientist says that we did. We are, however, apes. Great apes. Primates. That’s what humans are. The other apes evolved along with us, back to the point of the proto-ape that birthed both of our lineages.

The problem is, you say that you don’t believe that the moon is made of cheese and that you don’t believe that the Earth is 6000 years old (something I fully am with you on), but what you claimed is equivalent to both of those. All three are demonstrably false. Yet you believe this and not the others.

I would like to know why. I am willing to listen.

will you know, In my humble opinion, Male creatures have Penises and Female Creatures have Vaginas, and both organs were programmed to work together, now imagine a penis penetrates the Anus, that would cause a lot of problems and it maybe dangerous sometimes, I know some chicks enjoy anal sex but still I don’t think it apply on guys and as I stated before, it may cause both physical and Psychological problems.

as for the science issue, we were “Ordered” to get educated and look for everything in this vast universe, it’s written in the Quran that, no matter what knowledge we have we still don’t have everything we know about the universe, it was explained in the Quran how the “Embryo” evolves into a baby, now I don’t think people in that time knew what happens inside the mother’s belly and it explains how the planets works, there is a lot of things were mentioned in the Quran and it was approved by science nowadays.

In terms of sexual intercourse, homosexuality may not be natural. However, the social aspect of humanity, or any social animal, is enough to call homosexuality natural.

We’re not the only animals that can be homosexual, as a matter of fact, a lot of social animals turn to homosexuality in some cases (albeit, mostly female-coupling).

But yea, if you don’t believe that we evolved from animals, you probably won’t call homosexuality natural anyway.

Never mind the fact that we look like chimpanzees with less hair.

Au contraire, my Muslim friend. Suppressing homosexual tendencies will cause psychological problems, which may manifest in physical problems.

That’s all very nice. So why do you choose not to apply this to the evolution of mankind or to sexuality?

well, we believe that God created us from Clay and we are his best Creation, as for Sexuality, it’s just I think it doesn’t fit…you know ? like I can’t stand watching two guys humping each other in front of others or something :stuck_out_tongue:

Which doesn’t answer the question why Islam would consider homosexuality a sin. Surely it’s not because Islam “can’t stand watching two guys humping each other in front of others”? Has that actually ever happened?

I believe the only thing I Can give is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Islam

So basically your answer is “scripture says so”?

So, it’s precisely the same misunderstanding of the story of Lot that gives rise to the same misunderstanding about homosexuality as it is in the Christian world? And you don’t have an opinion of your own beyond what the Qur’an tells you to believe?

(Why am I so extremely unsurprised?)

Edit: Shadi, what do you think of this?

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