ITT: People confusing violent cultures with violent religion. Christianity and Islam are both religions of peace. Yet both have been used to instigate extreme acts of violence. This does not mean that the religion itself is violent however.
please convince those thick heads
Ever heard of sharia4belgium, islamineurope or islam4uk? They’re groups, usually with websites, ran by the younger muslim generation (mostly) who want nothing less but to make sharia the law in every country, they want a leader chosen by “wise people” (aka his loudmouth friends) and run around like it’s the middle east, even during the winter. What do you have to say about those?
There was an interview with sharia4belgium just last week where they kept on saying “they’re lying, i don’t have X” where X is a criminal record, extremist views, etc, somebody should just punch them in the face when they say these things and keep on doing so until they stop, that’s called conditioning and it’s perfectly fine when words won’t help anymore.
Does it apply to Muslims who want to become non-Muslims? Because I assume that children in Islamic countries are initiated into the faith way before they have even a chance to decide whether they want to or not, just as babies are baptized before they can even speak their first word, here in Germany. If, at some point in their life, they should decide to abandon the religion that was forced upon them, will the religious community let them go peacefully?
I doubt it.
And if I had been born in a Muslim country, I presume I would have been raised as a Muslim. In Germany, I was raised as a Christian. I still became an atheist once I figured out that religion mostly consists of lies and deceit. In Germany, I just had to fill out some paperwork and was out of the Church community for good. No trouble. I somewhat doubt that would have been the same in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran and so on… Just sayin’.
Really? Islam is not the reason those countries are so fucked up beyond recognition? :facepalm:
Islam is as much the reason those countries are fucked up, as much as skin color is the reason Africa is fucked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
Yea ofcourse, might want to reconsider what you just said though.
Most hostile countries:
- Iraq
- Somalia
- Afghanistan
- Sudan
- Pakistan
Why, exactly?
Because those countries are the most hostile, and 4 out of 5 of those have the Sharia law. Coincidence? I think not.
Well obviously Chrillen and Shadi disagree, so I would like to hear from them why they think those countries are so hostile and intolerant and why several “atheist” nations score the highest on the GPI.
you just don’t get it do you ?
I just threw hard evidence in your face, all you’ve done is call people trolls and posting shit like you just did. If you can’t come up with some proper counter-arguments then why bother making this thread.
Now for the second time I’m asking you:
I would like to hear from them why they think those countries are so hostile and intolerant and why several “atheist” nations score the highest on the GPI.
Then explain to us, people from several of most peaceful countries on the whole planet, why it’s not Islam that causes this. And don’t use the shitty excuse of “It’s because they interpret it wrong”. If it was like that there would be just as much Christian and Jewish extremists as Muslim extremists.
And it’s not like they’ve never acted like this before. Shortly after Muhammed’s death there was a Jihad already.
Surely the reason that those countries are as low as they are on that list cannot be attributed to the civil wars and warlords that are plaguing the countries, or perhaps the lack of natural resources or because they were exploited by the West throughout the last century. Countries like Oman, Qatar and Tunisia are way up on that index, and guess what, they’re Islamic.
No, I’m not saying Sharia law or any of that shit is good, it’s not, but it has nothing to do with why those countries are fucked up.
The fact that those five countries are so low on that list is as much evidence to your argument as this is to global warming:
what argument ?! all you’re doing is trying to prove that we are all violent and want to kill everybody.
as for your GPI thing, you just listed countries that are “In War” so what do you expect ? I don’t give a shit if they were in war with America or themselves. all I know that they’re war-torn countries end of stories. they’re fighting for “power” and not for religion as you say, saying : we fight for god or whatever is just a pathetic excuse to gain power over certain places
do we really know that “Islam” is the cause of all the problems of the world, oh am tired of this shit, that’s what you guys are good at, just blame blame blame everything on Islam and muslims in that way you rid yourselves of all the responsibility
Imo, all religions, but also politics and economy are the reasons why there are so many wars and problems. You don’t have to agree with that, but if you look at the evidence you’ll notice that most problems are caused by those things at some point.
so who should we blame in your opinion ? Islam or certain Muslims ?
I’m just going to ignore you. :facepalm:
@ Shadi
Why do you think those countries are at war? What do you think they’re fighting for? Also, the GPI does not look at wars only so your argument isn’t enough to convice me that Islam is not the cause of most problems over there.
Shai (whatever it is) law =/= Islam. You’re going too far down the track in determining the cause.
Let us consider the whacky “religion” of scientology. Ignoring politics they basically believe in the return of alien Lord Xenu, some alien leader or whatever. Now theoretically one could say that the cause of this is from the findings of xenobiologists, who work in the field of life on other planets. You could go even further still and say that astronomers are the ones revealing habitable planets, supporting xenobiologist theories.
Seems like a logical progression to say that astronomers are the cause for scientology coming into existance. But this of course is bullshit. Just because someone takes some research and evidence from something legitimate and twists it to make a fairly loopy message doesn’t mean the originators of the evidence are to blame.
Islam is a religion founded upon the teachings of the Qu’ran. Shadi has already stated that a lot of shia law practices are not in the Qu’ran, and are forbidden by it in some cases. Blaming Islam for the cause of unrestful countries using shia law is as ignorant as blaming the Hubble Space Telescope team for making Tom Cruise go mental.
Really? You run out of arguments and then you just going to take the cheap way out? Nice.