A perfect being wouldn’t NEED anything.
perfect can be understood in many ways. also considering that the god is god, it can be possible that we don’t know everything about him.
Actually we know hardly anything about him. God is infinite. I bet half of the bible is wrong due to human error since humans are so fallible, and considering any number of things could have corrupted or changed what was originally written without us knowing. Why would you trust that?
Can I do something that God doesn’t know about in advance? For example: God knows I’m going to have pizza tonight. But then, what if I decide to have chicken noodle soup instead? Can I have the soup? Is it at all possible for me to have the soup if God knows I’m having pizza?
you’re being really asinine daniel
Howso? I’m trying to work out if I have free will or not.
if god knows everything then he knows you’ll change your mind
knowledge doesnt change the subject of that knowledge
Yet, if he knows I’ll change my mind, then I don’t really have free will, did I? I’m just doing what God knows I’m going to do.
Sooooo, if I know you really well and I know you’re going to change your mind, I have taken away your free will? o.O
That is assuming linear time. To an omniscient being there is no future, so if you’ve already done everything you will do, daniel is arguing that what choice did you ever really have in the view of a continuous time scale. Free will is tricky, and there are people out there that say if there is a being that is omniscient like a god would seem to be that free will couldn’t exist.
It’s all a bit silly though. Seems we are meandering away from the topic here though…
I think what daniel means is: if your choices are predictable, then you are equivalent to a machine running an algorithm, which means you don’t have free will. Therefore, if you have free will, then you are not predictable, which means not even God could know what you will do, which does not contradict omniscience if you define omniscience as knowing everything it is logically possible to, but it does contradict the common concept that God knows the choices you will make.
I wrote about 2 types of free will. you should reread them.
Not on the last page, cba to look for them 
well you will have to look after 5th page 
My thoughts exactly.
My point was that in this discussion our choices aren’t predictable, they are simply known, which doesn’t change anything about those choices.
And that’s why I said daniel was being asinine. This whole issue is pretty asinine in itself, and any discussion pertaining to it is just silly.
Agreed
This threads spiraled way out of control in some vain hope of trying to have a sensible debate with the one Christian who seems to come back to this thread - Assassin.
And now it seems most people are just pulling teeth to try and get some kind of reaction from him that isn’t “I right, deal with it”
I’ll give you all hope.
that is possible!
What hope? If by hope you mean I should become a homophobic gay basher who thinks that women have no opinion and that if they do mistakenly get pregnant, it’s tough shit and they should have the baby, even if they’ve got just enough money to pay the bills and eat, and for no other?
If, including all of this, you also think I should abandon reason and start believing in anomalies in science and magic tricks, then I guess you really could provide me with hope.
I was talking about changing my mind but I’ll answer your questions.
GAY is coming! ruuun!!!
they have (sometimes)
it is THEIR mistake not child’s
c’mon, I was born when in my country was civil war and my father would earn $3-5 per day if he was lucky so fuck this shit out with “not enough money”
you want to say that science today knows everything and there is nothing that you can not learn with it help? nothing unknown? you are funny!
p.s. you still believe in magic? lol! you are still funny!
Predicting also doesn’t change anything about those choices either, it is just the process which lets you know what they are.
Consider how you can know what choice someone else is going to make: you think about other choices you already observed on that person, which means pattern recognition, and/or you reason about what could make such a person do this or that. Knowledge doesn’t just “magically appear” in you head, they are thought about and thinking about something that did not happen yet is the definition or prediction, which is an algorithmic process. That means you can only predict something that is also an algorithmic process.
When someone does something strange, you stop to think about what lead the person to do that. Sometimes you give up and say “I cannot understand this.” But then, how would you understand a choice made by free will? Free will is, by definition, making choices not based on thought, but on your soul or some random unpredictable source, which means it shouldn’t be understood or known by any process or pattern recognition. The fact that you are surprised you couldn’t understand that choice means you often understand other people’s choices (although not completely) and that is an exceptional case.
I’m not saying that free will simply does not exist, but it looks a lot like it is just an illusion.
I completely disagree. It is actually very debatable whether we have free will or not, this is complicated.