I honestly don’t see why God would punish someone for dumbness rather than just teaching the truth (even if that takes a long time).
Fair enough. I would also like to hear some serious, intelligent answers to those questions as well.
He should win a trophy for that one 
Is the Bible inerrant?
hehe, funny lol. different ppl have differet opinion about that. if you ask priest, it was influenced by god, if you ask atheist it was written by man. I am orthodox beliver (plz dontconsider me as fanatic) but i belive that if true love/kindness is in heart of a man and he/she has some wisdom with that he will find a truth even in “man written” bible.
Assassin: I find truths in nearly every book or story. Even Naruto.
well maybe because it’s right? and don’t consider this as something like advice how man should live. this is like describing car as “mechanical thing which moves with wheels”. this topic is very important to me. and i have radically different thinking from most of belivers in my country, to be more correct they don’t even think. and in my opinion thinking atheist is better than retarded beliver.
Dammit, just heard a priest give a sermon about drunk driving in which he effectively said that God killed a woman’s family so that she could meet him a day before the sermon and give him an anecdote about drunk driving. What is wrong with these people?
in my country things are worse sometimes
No more “right” than, say, Star Wars being “right” about not giving into one’s darker side and how we’re all tempted by it. But, is it “right”? Or is it just aspects of our evolving humanity?
If that is the case why is the bible any more relevant than any other books where little truths can be extracted? Of every holy book I’ve read there is always some positive or possibly true claims, juxtaposed against a bunch of horrible and false false claims.
Noticing the god character in almost every religious text is self contradictory, one must consider that the religion based on such texts are self contradictory by association. Religions that are self contradictory are unsupportable. If you believe in something that is unsupportable then how can you expect anyone to take your religious truth claims seriously?
well, for first because it is Bible and it is book of god which i believe.
and i don’t believe it because i was told it is right or because everyone is believer just because i found it right after reading. i have read(partly) Islamic “bible” (don’t know how it’s called English) . and i can assure you it is “sequel” to Christianity (but also many other religions mixed). well Budism is not the religion it’s more like the way of life. I see no other religions worth to be believed.
well about bible unsupported… well there was one monk called Gabriel. he is saint in my country. so he died but there are few miracles happening for first his body isn’t rotting and second from his grave stone is coming oil (miron - i think it is called so in english) well this can be checked any time if anyone is interested, so did i and well all happened as i said up. so i dont need any proofs for that I had enough of them through my life.
well what I see in humans those days is that while evolving they are becoming more like shit day by day. so I’ll call it devolving.
Okay, I’m having a lot of trouble figuring out what you are trying to say here. English is obviously not your native tongue, but I will try my best. The Qur’an ( Islamic bible as you called it ) may be older, but that doesn’t mean the scriptures you read from are any better, or contain any more truth. Christianity is branched off from what used to be Judaism. Dose the Enuma Elish, or the Canaanite religion preceding all the monotheistic religions hold more true because they precede the monotheistic religions that followed?
I say no. If you truly have studied the Christian bible and how it contradicts evidence, and itself, I wonder what about it seemed ‘right’?
I’m not familiar with the the story / legend you reference, but if there is good evidence that there was a miracle, I would welcome it.
The Qur’an - yes it is. sorry for my English but i am trying my best.
actually Christianity contains Judaism in it, but the principle of Judaism was to be Fair but in Christianity it changed to be kind. so this was not an evolution that was a new religion. but here comes the question why god changed his mind about rules? well i have few ideas about that but who knows? there are two scenarios that i think are most probable 1. everything was planned so. 2 god thought that his strategy was wrong.
now comes the thing how is this possible if god is never mistaken. possibly it in bible this is meant differently but honestly i am very tired to think about this now.
yes, he is the one. 1925-1995 not too late for legends?
the tale of how Judaism and Christianity is a little bit more complex than that. The jews and the christians were essentially the same until they were cast out of the holy land and asked how they could continue to worship their god. This is essentially where Judaism and Christianity ( at the time they were Yahwists ) split. Essentially the teachings can be separated into the Jews only following the old testament, and chrisitans following both ( or more the new testament ). There is many political reasons why the Yahwists survived to create this new religion, and why it is so different from modern day Jewish beliefs, but I don’t think now is the time to talk about that.
Even you come to the paradox of how god is infallible in some instances and is obviously flawed in others. Yahweh’s very character changes from various stages of biblical texts. I wonder how this is accounted for. If god is perfect, then why is the very basis for his being imperfect. Could a perfect being have figured a more perfect way to be worshiped, or defined to his followers?
He is claimed to heal the sick through the burning of his oils, yes? I wonder what his success rate for long term cure is? I wonder if it varies in any significant way from unexplained recovery in the general populace, or even those outside the christian faith? Do you have any statistics to support the truth of your claim, or even evidence that it’s not just conjecture?
well I know that much
well I wouldn’t say “Even” because people much more smarter than me have questioned this already. I think the word perfect can be understood in many different ways. also as I mentioned before we aren’t supposed to understand everything.
well no not burning his oils lol. first i want to ask you think that monks make statistics how many people they helped and do experiments on animals to find the cure for AIDS?
I don’t think so. second, the oil that is burning on his grave isn’t HIS oil. it is called “miron” here and i don’t know how it is called in english. that oil is leaking from his gravestone.
“According to thousands of witnesses the oil from lampada which constantly burns at the grave of Monk Gabriel has a healing powers (Church often receives letters/reports from the people being healed from disease like cancer, hydrocephalus, cerebral palsy etc.)”
this is not an healing oil that an oil used in curch in rituals.
well friend thats enough for me today. but thanks for talk, sometimes i really need to talk with someone about this. hope we will talk next time.
When I say ‘his oil’ I mean in the possessive sense. As in, the oil isn’t the oil coming from / relating to some other saint. The thing about cancer and aids research is that we DO track those numbers. We have researched why the things we do or don’t have an impact. In many cases these ‘cured’ individuals appear in the same numbers and rates as those who unexpectedly recover WITHOUT divine intervention.
See the claims of a large group of followers can be validated without proper investigation of such claims. If these claims WERE accurate than there would be some numbers to back it up. There would be worldwide study into why the cures are showing up. When the claims aren’t statistically significant though, that means that there is a few individuals with anecdotal claims. This should not convince anyone. Believing in this sort of thing means that the persons mind isn’t apply a proper skepticism filter. Without this filter a person will allow a whole bunch of useless falsehoods in, and not consider applying reason to the information they are receiving.
When experimenting new drugs, for instance, they separate the people that is being tested in two groups: one group receives real medicine and the other receives placebo (fake medicine). This way, they can tell if the cures in the group are because of the medicine, natural healing or placebo effect.
Anyway, I have one question. What is your opinion on the divisions in Christianity? For instance, this video says that there are more than 33,000 denominations of Christianity, Christians disagree on “just about everything”:
Is the supposed to be taken literally?
Is heaven on Earth or is it somewhere else?
Is hell forever or just temporary?
Are images of saints allowed?
And so on. I could also explain my personal experience on how Catholicism is divided as well, despite being a big “unified” religion.
He isn’t punishing people for being idiots, you are right.
I was just projecting my own petty character traits on god, as men did for thousands of years. Which brings me to this point.
That is why God’s character changes all the time. People believe in God, because it is a form of self-believe for people who do not deem themselves worthy to believe and worship themselves directly, or who are too insincere to do that publicly.
So they project their own traits, like jealousy or affinity for bloody revenge, or compassion and love, on god, and then worship these traits in him, altough these traits are theirs. That is why I personally believe Jesus to be a son of God, whatever the physical, biological, spiritual context is, because I project compassion onto God, because I’d like to worship the compassion in me, and Jesus taught compassion.
That is why I think God is in every one of us. Because he is a subjective reality, and everyone sees himself in God to some extent, as it is the case with all role models.
I hope my viewpoint is not too retarded. 
Piefish: That was rather uncalled for. If you have a question, please ask it. Don’t bash the religion. If, however, you were asking about the difference between God and the sun, ask that question.
Just making the point that The Sun pretty much covers god and that encounters with god are as relevant as alien abductions are.
God is always depicted as being this being in the clouds / The sun is always seen from earth as up in the sky with clouds
God always seems to be surrounded by a shining light / Well…it’s the sun
People got to church on a SUNday
Without the Sun all life on earth would die and would never have existed without it.
God is an exaggerated tale about the sun which humans probably came up with a long time ago and then got carried away. Just sayin
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