Ask a Christian

#741

I was merely describing how you appear to interpret God’s word through your inexplicable misanthropy in your posts.

Why do you predict that we here all shall go to Hell when we die? If you can say that with certainty, you must have some kind of criterion to base it on. The basis of this criteria, given that the subject matter is Damnation, would be the Bible, would it not? Thus you would be basing it on the word of God, no?

This is why I ask those questions.

Additionally, why would you be full of hate if you believed in God’s wisdom? Surely you would be content knowing that God’s judgement will eventually purge the world (Book of Revelation)?

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Isn’t suicide a sin? Why encourage sinning?
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#742

Fix’d

#743

that was just cynical response…

those were my posts not gods.

as long as you don’t believe in god you go to hell thats simple and my predictions are based on that. you break the first of ten commandments.

I know that it is not way of christian to hate everyone but I have lot of reasons for it beside what is going in world.

if you are fixing fix it right.

#744

Am I fixing it right?

But the meaning behind my questions appears to have been lost:

Why believe in a God that would punish you for eternity for exercising the free will that you believe he gave you?
Doesn’t that sound something akin to entrapment?

But if God, in His wisdom can love and forgive everyone (as you said), why can’t you? What makes you that better than God to see some additional sin that renders His judgement incorrect?

Do you see why I’m having trouble understanding here?

#745

Well technically we don’t have any gods before Yahweh. In fact we don’t have any gods at all, and it doesn’t say anything about HAVING to believe in him in the ten commandments.

And you can’t say we worship science or anything as an idol either, we worship nothing.

#746

no.

wait wait wait… do you EVEN understand meaning of god? with your logic I must be worshiping Satan! I am not exercising my free will I am just using it wrong way… but at least I am trying to change something and more least I understand that fact.
what it will give me? that will give me nothing more than I will become better, not today not tomorrow but I wish that some day I will understand wisdom of god.

no that sounds like that seeking the way out of shit.

OMG, I cant believe that you asked such a… such a… incompetent question. so lets start if god is wise why I can’t be wise? yes? well maybe because he is god and I am human? well I am not “sure” about that…

please re-read this quote and tell me what are you meaning. and also explain me how HUMAN can be better than GOD.

where I mentioned that he is incorrect?

p.s. Judgement is wrong, Judgment without e.(just every time I see, eye itches through my English isn’t perfect)

you have trouble understanding a lot but this time you can’t understand me but don’t worry you are not alone.

not having another god beside him requires having him as a god.

#747

First of all this evil dictator example takes place in far future, secondly eventually immortallity will be possible

#748

yeeeeaaa… ummm… could you show me your lightsaber?

#749

I am trying to set up an example in which a person who has done horrible things can’t be punished for them in hell, how about another example:

Voldemort, he kills people and does horrible things but he can’t go to hell because he can’t die (because of the Horcruxes) therefor god can not punish him, therefor a he can go do horrible things and not be punished

#750

Don’t search Dante’s Inferno for me because you know as well as I do that Inferno is fiction. I want you to show where, IN THE BIBLE, it states that there are “levels” to Hell. Because Revelation 21:8 states that liars AND murderers will equally suffer the lake of fire–the “second death”.

#751

I just found this video explaining what Hell means in the bible. The bible actually does not mention Hell anywhere, it mentions Sheol, Hades and Gehenna, and they mean very different things than the word Hell. Take a look.

(if you can’t understand spoken English, don’t worry, it is made on a Powerpoint presentation so you can read it).

#752

So so so many of your responses are like this. This is such bad thinking. This statement is just something you pulled out of your ass. It’s dishonest.

The way you use such a variety of fallacies sometimes makes me think that it’s intentional - especially your use of strawman - it’s as if you pretend to misunderstand and shift the rhetoric intentionally.

It makes me wonder at times if you are a lawyer. Lawyers do this kind of thing intentionally. they are often intentionally rhetorically dishonest. I don’t know if you’re a lawyer, but I do believe that you are intentionally dishonest, because it’s difficult to believe that your thinking is this bad.

#753

Right, ok, let’s break down my last post then, if it creates that much difficulty

Why do you beleive in God who would send you to hell for breaking the first commandment, when that same God gave you the free-will and means to break it?

Do you see the problem here? I’m saying that it looks like God is deliberately setting up mankind for a fall. Isn’t that a little bloody minded?

I have no idea how a question can be incompetent. And once again you are completely missing the point of the question entirely. So let’s break it down again.

God is infinitely wise, yes?
If God can forgive everyone for their sins (which you yourself said) why can’t you?

If God forgives everyone, or can forgive, why do you refuse to forgive?
That seems like you are second guessing God, which given that, as previously stated, God is infinitely wise, is quite odd.
That is what I meant when I said "What makes you that better than God? ".

Do try to understand. I can sense a lot of frustration and anger in your posts. You may want to calm down before responding to people.

Every time you miss the point of someone’s question and go on a wild rant my soul itches.

Hey now, don’t be bashing lawyers. Shucks we’re a real nice bunch most of the time ^^

#754

Sorry - nothing personal.

#755

It’s ok. I forgive you. As would Christ.

#756

I have. And you seem to not know it well or understand it well.

That’s from Leviticus. You reject this, and you reject all but the first 10 commandments. You talk about the first commandment of God to the Jews, as if this applies to not only you, but also to me - but it seems like you didn’t actually read or understand Leviticus. God himself spoke the first 10 commandments, and the Jews were frightened by his voice and asked Moses to make him stop. And Moses spoke the rest of god’s commandments, which are around 470. You reject these latter commandments of god to the Jews as being only intended for the Jews and that they don’t apply to you because you have a New Covenant through Jesus. Yet, you talk about the first one as if it not only applies to you but also to me. BTW, that ‘bullshit’ about the goat was the direct word of God, according to the text.

Right - you don’t follow Jesus. You simply want and claim God’s power to judge the rest of us, and rationalize your own hatred of humanity in terms of their sin and failings. You arrogantly judge us by our sins as if you are God and have the authority to make such judgements, and that you have the mind of God that would allow you knowledge of how to judge and why.

You’re the same as the rest of us, except that you don’t have the intellectual or psychological capabilities to understand us or the world with any other reaction than hate and anger. This is why some here think that you don’t follow Jesus - because you don’t. You’re not a ‘Christian’ in the sense that you follow the teachings of Jesus. It’s simply an empty claim, the name of a member of a certain Group to which you belong - in much the same way that DDR was a democratic republic, it was neither of these things - the name didn’t have anything to do with the reality of what it truly was - it was a police state.

#757

If that was what it said, that would be true. But it says no other god BEFORE him, and that is different.

#758

I agree with you. It actually seems to be part of religious reasoning: ignore parts that disagree with you and use the parts that agree with you to prove your point.

#759

I think of Christianity and other religions as being based on the theological constructions and arbitrary interpretations of the texts rather than based on the texts themselves.

So, even if the texts were verified and proved to be authentic, the religions themselves are based upon the theologies, and the followers of the religions worship the theologies, rather than God and his word.

So, the religions seem illegitimate on their face, and whether or not God exists and the texts are his work is a moot point in the debate. the religions seem false to me, a usurpation of god’s power on Earth, whether or not the Faith in God’s existence and the authenticity of the texts is correct.

I think this is demonstrated by the diversity of theologies in Christianity alone. You have conflicting beliefs and conflicting interpretations, and the followers of each theology claims the authority of God. But they can’t all be right. At the very most, only one is right - and that’s at the very most - it could be that ALL are wrong.

Some denominations of Christianity have recognized this problem and their solution was to interpret the texts literally. But even then there are many different denominations with a literal interpretation and their theologies STILL differ, of course - for a number of reasons that aren’t relevant to this discussion.

And then of course, each new generation changes the theologies within the denominations to suit their needs and purposes. Christianity has been this way from the beginning. No one has ever agreed about what it is or what it means, yet everyone believes that their theology is an absolute and universal truth. And none of the theologies that claimed to be absolute and universal truths have EVER actually been that - none of them survived and the ones that exist now will also be supplanted by newer ones in the future.

But ‘Christianity’ and ‘Christians’ remain, with the same claims of absolute and universal truths, ready with some kind of crusade against those that don’t accept their ‘absolute and universal truth’, which will, of course, disappear in time and be replaced with yet another different version, as it has been since the beginning of Christianity.

#760

Batting this thread back into the traditional “ask a Christian a genuine question” concept, can anyone tell me why it is Christians dismiss the rules about eating pork and shellfish, but Jews follow it? Considering they share the holy text its written in (Deuteronomy if memory serves).

Just something I’ve always been curious about :slight_smile:

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