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#801

Besides what danielsangeo said, the part “their worm never dies and the fire is never quenched” is a quote from Isaiah, which is a poetry with lots of metaphors.

Now, could Jesus really have meant that as a metaphor for hell? Well, he might, and he might not.

My conclusion is that there are three possibilities:

  1. People at that time already knew the concept of hell (which is hard to believe because hell is not mentioned in the Old Testament, maybe it appears in other pre-Christian Jewish books that are not part of the bible and I don’t know about it),
  2. Jesus presented the concept of hell to the people (which, to me, isn’t reasonable because he doesn’t give a better explanation of what is hell and how it works and people would have requested that kind of information),
  3. Jesus didn’t say anything about hell.

I just thing option (3) is more reasonable. However, any of the three is possible.

#802

The problem is in the religions we create around these gods, the problem is the people who use their religion as an excuse to spill unnecessary blood, to abuse and degrade women/ethnic minorities, or to disregard scientific discoveries that might prove their beliefs to be wrong.
The message i took from the video was basically that religion has slowed the progress of the human race, and will continue to do so until we can move on and discard it altogether.

#803

Deuteronomy 7:6

“For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.”

Want to rethink your statement?

#804

that means that god choose someone to be special not that he favors someone more.

#805

… isn’t it favouring a person when you make someone special…?

#806

No it is giving someone “present when he behaves well”.

#807

… no, what I got from that, is that god makes people who kiss his ass special, meaning he favours them more than the other people, that might be good but just don’t worship him.

#808

I should stop arguing with you because of this retarded and insultive statement.

#809

#810

pfft, ha ha ha, okay.

#811

He is telling the “children of Israel”. This statement is made just after the ten commandments are given in Deuteronomy 5. He isn’t speaking to just one person he’s is speaking to his chosen people!

He says “the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth”

That isn’t favoritism??

#812

no that isn’t. I ll ask you can there be two kings in one country? no, of course. so same is here god chooses one, who deserves most, to lead/convert people. not everyone can do t this so he chooses special ones with ability to do “something”. got it?

#813

That’s favoritism, Assassin.

#814

Assassin: Daniel is pointing out that in the OT there was an actual place on earth. The hell as we know it was conceived in the NT, first mentioned by Jesus that there was a place of eternal torment that sinners go when they die. Before the NT people just lay dormant under the earth forever. Only now do we call the eternal torment mentioned be Jesus initially ‘hell’.

Edit: Damn undercut quite a lot…

#815

ITT

https://forums.blackmesasource.com/showpost.php?p=368076&postcount=65

Double standard much? :hmph:

#816

It’s not the people who kiss his ass special, it’s the people who he sees fit. Although many of his special people end up having some random flaw that eventually causes his people to get 1337pwned.

#817

Reality check: God does not favor anyone, people are the ones who invented God’s favoritism to themselves.

God choosing people for what they believe? Does that even make any sense?

#818

what they do/will do. not or what they believe but that can be one of reasons too.but that is not main, one of the greatest saints here Abo Tbileli was Muslim.

no that is not much. it is on norm.

well actually Daniel wants to say that bible is wrong so I don’t agree also hell always existed and it is “prison” for sinners. and it was created after Satan got exiled.

#819

No. I don’t want to say the Bible is wrong. I am saying your interpretation of the Bible is wrong. The Bible mentions several different things, all of them you’re labeling “Hell” even though they aren’t. Like Sheol or Gehenna.

#820

You said in this very thread that people that don’t believe in God are going to hell. That is sending people to hell for what they believe.

So you disagree with daniel because of what he is trying to prove, not because of his arguments. That is biased thought and also double standard (because you value the opinion of fellow Christians, but despise the opinion of people that disagree with you).

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