It’s not that extreme.
If I was in a committed relationship and I were to get a woman pregnant I would hope that we could sit down and make a decision together on weather or not the abortion was right for us. I would feel like that would be a benefit to the woman to have support in what ever decision was chosen. I know it would not be my body that was going to be put on the line but that would be half of my baby if we chose to have it, and the fetus that would be aborted would also have half my DNA and I would feel the emotional loss of that.
I’m not saying abortion is right or wrong or that women should not be the one to make the final decision, but men can have some stake in that decision. I love my son VERY much and I have loved him since the moment I knew my wife was pregnant. I would have been sad if my wife had decided to abort him because I already loved him. So I’m not saying that I should be able to make the decision for the woman I’m just saying that I think you might be downplaying the emotional role a man might have for an unborn child and I don’t think men should not be able to discuss the situation with the woman.
By your own argument, you have no opinion.
the man should not attempt to influence her decision at all. the fetus is not inside his body, it’s inside hers. the decision is entirely up to her, and the man has no say. you have no valid input unless she asks you for it. i don’t give two shits how much you love an unthinking blob of cells or a fucking embryo, if the woman doesn’t want it you have no right to try to convince her otherwise.
for fucks sake, you’re an idiot.
guess what? being a woman puts you in a position where you may need an abortion one day.
you are a man. YOU HAVE NO OPINION ON MY RIGHTS.
You are being petulant, and I think it is clear to everyone else. Arguing with you is boring and pointless. Goodbye.
of course, standing up for my own rights is being petulant. it’s nice to know you finally realized you’re wrong, but unfortunate that you can’t admit it. bye!
I have every right to tell her my opinion just as she has every right to either listen to or dismiss my opinion.
NOW who is trying to take away rights?
What if a man helped to make abortion legal, would you be against it? If you say yes, you are being hypocritical and stupid because the people you are complaining with are pro-choice. If you say no, you are being stupid too because you are fighting against your own cause.
With this radical world view of yours, showing anger and yelling at everyone, all you are going to be able to accomplish is to convince people that abortion should be illegal. I’m serious. When you complain about something with no control over your emotions, they will think you are crazy and position themselves against you, sometimes you might even make them change their minds just to not be on your side.
If you want to convince people, you will have to calm yourself down and to be reasonable and try come to an agreement, even if you need to accept something that you don’t agree with. Otherwise you will be another religious fanatic for not accepting what goes against what you think to be right.
What fancy pants does not understand is that when someone needs an abortion it is both the man’s and woman’s job, it is not a fair if the woman decides to keep the baby and the man doesn’t want to have a family yet, as well as if the man wanted the child and the woman doesn’t want a family yet. if it is just the woman’s choice then more often the coupke will break up over the decision to have a child or not
you’re wrong. it’s entirely the woman’s decision. if the man decides to leave her for it, that’s shitty, but that’s entirely his decision.
that’s fine, because it’s not a dickhole acting like his OPINION is relevant. it’s someone who realized that women are entitled to their reproductive rights.
and by the way, the tone argument never works. ever.
https://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument
nice try, though!
You do realise that was my attitude, right?
As in, I agree with abortion.
yeah but you decided that you had a relevant opinion when you really, really don’t. laws shouldn’t be based on whether or not the people making them agree. i don’t give two fucks if you agree or disagree as long as you realize that your opinion SHOULD NOT BE RELEVANT to either the laws or a woman who wants an abortion.
For some reason i have a very vivid picture of Fancy Pants in my head sticking both finger in her ears while sticking her tounge out shouting “I’M NOT LISTENING I’M NOT LISTENING, I RIGHT YOU WRONG, NANANANANANANA!”
This is why I gave up.
probably because if a man thinks his opinion should sway the law or a woman’s opinion when it comes to her own rights they’re objectively wrong.
i think you’re just not willing to recognize your privilege and step off the pedestal that society has put you on for long enough to realize that you’re the one that’s not getting it.
:facepalm:You do realize that were just having a friendly discussion and discussions are no fun when the other person is too set in their own beliefs to even listen to anyone and consider alternative views. All I was saying is that I have freedom of speech and I have the right to say whatever I want to whomever I damn well please, I’m just as entitled to MY opinion as you are you YOURS. I’m not saying that my opinion should sway laws or even the woman’s opinion all I’m saying is that as the unborn babies eventual father I have the right to express my opinion. She doesnt have to listen but it is my right to tell her how I feel. That being said you are no fun to talk to anymore so I’m done with this part of the convo too!
i never said you werent entitled to the opinion, i said don’t think it’s relevant to whether or not it should be legal or whether or not you should shame a woman for wanting an abortion.
Alright
Wow fancy pants you are stubborn… you are saying about how everyone is entitled to their opinion but you persecute anyone who thinks differently.
you said that it should be the woman’s choice only which already violates equality, but you also say that if the man leaves that means he is a selfish dickhole, except its the woman in this case that is the selfish dickhole
how the hell does it violate equality? it’s HER BODY. NOBODY HAS ANY SAY BUT HER. a relationship is something that takes place between two people. a pregnancy is something that takes place inside one.
you genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about. and i’m not persecuting anyone who thinks differently, i’m saying that no matter what your opinion is, if you’re a man, your opinion on women’s rights is irrelevant.