What I’d like to know is what Obama himself specifically did that the right has a problem with. Not some fantasy cartoon caricature of Obama as this evil America-hating “socialist” (from people who don’t even know what “socialism” is) but actual policies that Obama pushed for that the right has a problem with.
To this date, I haven’t seen any actual responses to this. I have seen a lot of claims that are patently false, but nothing actually accurate.
He’s not their guy.
He’s black.
Zen: Please. I want to have an honest and adult discussion about this. I don’t want to caricature them like so many on the right have caricatured Obama. Thanks.
I really don’t think that’s a caricature. That is honestly how many Republicans feel. If you aren’t Republican, they have no desire to listen to a word you have to say.
And as far as the “he’s black” part, I can personally say that MANY Republicans are against him simply for that. I’m originally from Georgia… Do I need to say more?
I want to hear from people like manky. Thanks.
Right vs. Left has been an issue ever since the Constitution was first established, then being Federalists vs. Anti-Federalists. (Party ideologies have changed, but the concept remains the same)
EDIT: I have nothing against Obama as a person. He’s obviously hard working and doesn’t stop until he’s accomplished his goal. Also, I will admit that my previous statements on the economy were biased. I won’t make any further comments on the matter until I’m more informed.
I’m currently living in Georgia and I rarely see or hear of anything like that. My parents are Republican and they’re probably the farthest thing from racist. It could be because I live in the suburbs around Atlanta, but I don’t think that stereotype really sticks to much of Georgia anymore. Look to Alabama for that stuff…
Well, that is it.
These political parties exist to win elections and he’s not their guy. Republicans also hated Clinton for the same reason and bitched and moaned about every single thing he did.
And, the Republican party has used the Southern Strategy successfully since the late 60s. The largest electoral shift in American history was the shift of white Southern racist from the Democratic to the Republican party after the Dems supported the Voting Rights Act of 1964 and The Civil Rights Act of 1965. There’s a well-known political cliche from that period, “I didn’t leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me”.
The Republican narrative since then has been overtly racist, as well as their wedge issues, like affirmative action, welfare reform, State’s Right’s, Law & Order. This can clearly be seen on any electoral map where you see all these Southern states in red.
I’m really surprised that you would think that the idea that racism plays a role in the opposition to Obama isn’t a serious proposition.
It can be said for every good republican president. The democrats will hate on him because he’s not a dem. In politics, it’s not what you do, it’s what you are.
The only exception to the rule was FDR. And even he had a few outspoken enemies.
Washington told us, bros
He told us about factions
Dems might hate on a Republican for what he does, but Repubs and the right will hate on a Democrat for things they imagine he does (not what he does).
May I ask how old you are?
17, soon to turn 18. Trying to get into politics before I vote, so that I may actually make an informed decision, rather than following friends and family blindly.
Obviously I haven’t been doing a good job. I appreciate the insight provided by this community.
Sorry pal, it’s equal on both sides. They will always ‘imagine’ things.
You really think it’s equal on both sides? Really?
Strictly on topic: It definitely doesn’t help that the most recent republican was Bush, there’s probably a bit of a stigma to being associated with him
Rant-y digression:
I don’t usually like to get involved with political discussions, but back in September 2009, Obama was going to have a speech, you can read it here https://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks or just google the video.
The point of the speech was essentially to tell kids to stay in school and do their best at it. As soon as it was announced that he would be doing the speech, a bunch of the crazies in the republican party started talking about how the speech would be used to indoctrinate your children.
The school I went to at the time was going to show the speech. In the preceding days, so many people called into the school and complained that the school cancelled the entire thing.
The point of this entire message is yes, idiots on both sides will always imagine things, but it definitely isn’t equal, and that was in north west Indiana, about an hour away from Chicago.
I don’t like to be called democrat, because I don’t necessarily agree with some of the ideas that go along with that statement. But I’m certainly more of a democrat than a republican
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That’s just about the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. it’s hard for Obama when the republicans shit on and forcibly try and block every single thing he wants to change. Let me guess you’re all going to vote for that dipshit Romney just because he’s the latest thing and then you’re all going to jump off the bandwagon and kick him out when he proves that he is infact a fucking idiot. Obama will have a lot more power in his second term. If he’s re elected he will go down in history as a great president along with Clinton, Abe and the rest of them.
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from the rhetorics I’ve heard so far in the campaigns, the democratic argumentation is the one more based on facts. While the republican is (mostly, I grant that Romney is right about people not FEELING the thriving economy, [color=Red]yet) based on bias and Cesar’s theory of “divide et empera”.
Yo, dudes. At least Obama tries his best to make US better.
Unlike Najib in Malaysia, who are ruining his own country as much as he could.
Fuck, even people are requesting Malaysia to change its country flag.
Yeah, here in Europe Libertarians are considered crazy. As they should. They are basically market-anarchists. Economics just do not agree with their mantra that no regulation would result in a prosperous society.
The fact that Americans are still arguing issues such as women’s rights (including not only abortion but also contraception), gay rights, universal healthcare, creationism (anywhere at all would be bad enough, but especially in schools!) and the separation of church and state… it’s just unbelievable. They may be the wealthiest country (although not for very long now, if China goes on as it is predicted by many and if Europe is eventually considered a country) with the most powerful military, but in social issues they are still in the 19th Century.
I totally agree with you, although on that point I should mention that Germany is currently run by the Christian Democrat Party.
Angela Merkel is the daughter of a pastor and the current President studied Theology in University.
There was a nice German cartoon mocking these facts and featured two Arabs saying “Great, so Germany is a theocracy”.
Although I haven’t been able to find the cartoon again.
Although, that said, despite these links to religion, Germany is far more liberal and free than America could ever dream of being in at least the next 20 years.
The American system is an interesting paradox. It’s a country which claims to hold the principles of freedom above all things and yet it doesn’t allow gays to marry and has politicians who are against women being allowed to make their own choices in life (what I would class as a very serious breach of their personal freedom)
So basically, America stands for freedom, but only if you are a white male who has an income of over $50k per year.
*I should clarify that I know that some states do allow gay marriage. But if the Republicans get back in you can say bye bye to that freedom.
The reason Europeans love Obama is that he doesn’t go around messing around in our countries. Bush wasn’t intent on just fucking up America, he also wanted to fuck up everywhere else. Obama is happy to just piss in his own pool and not piss in ours. Condoleezza Rice was a disgusting human being and completely incapable of performing her role and absolutely killed foreign relations with pretty much every country she went to. Her arrogance really managed to piss off a lot of people.
I think only Mitt Romney could do worse than she did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyGcerFDho
If Fox news’ most hardcore Republican fans struggle to defend the guy’s idiocy you know there’s trouble.
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