86% of Germans would vote for Obama, if they could

Job growth is a natural thing at the end of a recession. He hasn’t done anything to help it. If anything, his over-regulation will throw this country back into economical trouble.

It’s like saying Roosevelt’s New Deal is what ended the Great Depression and threw America into a gold mine.

Also, I wouldn’t mind his healthcare plan if it wasn’t for the fact that you are penalized if you feel that you don’t want healthcare. You should have free choice in the matter.

I’d suppose it would be as high in Belgium.

But I think that’s because the perception that most people in the European Union have is still like this: We wouldn’t choose a Republican because of their foreign policy (in the past).
I doubt that the majority of them consider about the other policies, like economy etc.

A lot has to do with how the European media portrays the US here:
Democrats are mostly good, Republicans are mostly bad.

I suppose the US media portrays the EU also totally different than we experience it.

I don’t follow politics really so as a european my impression of the republicans is that they are bunch of retards.

Don’t waste your time on politics, it’s hopeless at this point. You are in the middle of another ‘Lost Decade’, like Japan in the 90’s. 2008 was just foreplay, the next few years will be the climax. Yea it sucks that it has to happen to your generation, especially after such a great childhood. But just deal with it. At least you got to play Black Mesa.

I think that number is skewed as mitt hasn’t had the best luck when speaking abroad. Most often these outside polls tend to be a popularity contest rather than a real insight into how they govern. Plus I would think that any democrat would have an advantage when asking most European countries as the party more closely aligns with their views.

You have to consider that the German (and in most parts the European) society differs from the American in many ways. The American libertarianism is something many people here have problems with. Not even the most liberal party in Germany would dare to question universal health care, no respected politician in Germany would speak open about “patriotism” and many of the debates in American internal politics seem like a joke to Germans and Europeans (creationism in schools, social security, gay rights etc.). “Defending your country”, “having a strong military”, “being a better country than all the others” are concepts that will alienate Germans strongly, especially after our history. Germany’s economy is a social market economy with huge interference and control from the Government, so of course Germans would vote for an American politician that comes closer to the system that they are used to than other candidates. Even the most conservative politician in Germany would be considered a left wing socialist by American standards. And vice versa if Barack Obama would have held his DNC speech with the same words here in Germany, he would’ve been politically dead and branded as right wing fascist.

TL;DR: Germans and Americans are different people.

Bush was a retard no doubt about it… but after seeing a nation reelecting a retard president… well…I wouldn’t be suprised on anything in america.

Anyway, I think Health Care will be the undoing of Romney, you can’t run for presidency by threatening 30 million people with depriving them of that service.

this horse shit you’ve heard, honestly, is hopefully why Obama will be re-elected
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Like what, specifically?

It was heading in that direction until Roosevelt listened to the right wing and cut back on government spending. It sent us back into another recession that took the government spending associated with WWII to finally get us out of.

This was something that the right championed before Obama and the Dems did it. That portion was crafted by the finest minds at the Heritage Foundation.

Exactly The use of parroted catch-phrases is annoying. Most people that complain about ‘over-regulation’ don’t have even the very first idea of what they’re talking about, or what regulation means on the most basic level.

That’s true. It was added to the bill as a concession to Republicans to get them to support it. This idea was actually the entirety of the Republicans version of health care reform since the early 90s.

The problem was that health care had grown unaffordable and a significant number of Americans didn’t have health care coverage, which caused a lot of obvious problems, including a strain on the system from people who didn’t have doctors going to emergency rooms for treatment of non-emergencies. The Democratic proposal was a reform to the system, and the Republican alternative was, ‘Well, if the problem is that people don’t have insurance, then make insurance mandatory. Problem solved.’

Yes, because a lack of regulation throws your country instantly into economic wealth and prosperity rather than having a double-dipped recession without any economic growth between times. Yes, that’s exactly what happens. :expressionless:

If I didn’t have a government in power that was so fixated on keeping everything deregulated in the name of political values rather than actually regulating sectors that are in dire need of regulating due to the ghastly manner in which they conduct business, the lack of consumer protection and the stranglehold they have on our economy, I’d probably think differently. But I don’t have that luxury of living in a sensible country.

If you’re outside the US, you might not know that the American Conservative ideology is that the purpose and function of government is solely to create and maintain a military. Anything other than that is referred to as ‘over-regulation’.

I’m positing this just to give a context to the idea of ‘regulation’ in American political and social discourse. Any action or service by the government outside of providing for the military is regulation, and is referred to as “Socialism” by conservatives, who equate it with Communism, Marxism, NAZIism, terrorism, Hitler, and Stalin.

This is likely to seem absurd to most of you, and it’s absurd to about half of Americans - for the other half (actually about 40%), it is considered to be an absolute, universal, and timeless truth. You need to know this in order to understand American politics. It’s one half of the American conservative ideology, the other half is racism/theocracy. Deregulation and racism/theocracy are the two basic principles of the American conservative thought - deregulation being the primary economic ideology, and racism/theocracy being the social ideology. The positions on individual political issues are derived from these two basic cleaves of the ideology.

The roll of the government is not only to maintain the military but also to control your marriage and reproductive rights, you forgot about those.

Oddly enough, those two appear to be giving more control to government, not less… I’d say that’s facist if not socialist.

Oh and don’t forget, removing “God” from any political motto is deemed “extreme” and “out of touch with mainstream America.”

I didn’t forget. Those issues are derived from their social ideology.

That’s not conservative ideology. It’s Republican.

And I am neither, just so we’re clear.

True conservatism and the republican party broke up a while ago.

Amen

How about a net increase in GDP (both overall and per capita) since Q3 2009, a net decrease in unemployment since Q4 2009, and a net decrease in the budget deficit since Q4 2009?

I’m far from an Obama supporter. I’m more with Gary Johnson, just like you. But please check facts before saying “Obama hasn’t done shit with our economy.” Clinton was dead on the other night when he said that nobody could have fixed the economy in less than 4 years. All things considered, we are in a good position right now, and we are continuing to progress economically.

Sources:

  1. Federal Reserve Economic Data - https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/
  2. Any real economist who isn’t trying to be a fear monger

Conservatism is Burke, who responded to Paine’s The Right’s of Man Part First by bringing charges of sedition. Paine had already left to join Jefferson in France, but was prosecuted and tried in absentia for sedition.

Conservatism opposes democracy. The philosophy itself arose as an opposing reaction to the implementation of democracy in the United States previously, and to the threat of democracy displacing monarchy in France, which both Paine and Jefferson supported.

Conservatism is the idea that social stability can only come when the ignorant majority are governed through a minority of hereditary aristocracy. It relies on an idea Burke called ‘hereditary wisdom’, which basically says that ignorance and wisdom, rationality and irrationality, civility and incivility are hereditary traits that run through family blood lines. That some humans are born to ability to use logic and reason and others are not, that some humans are born civilized and others not and can not learn civility, but can only be governed by those who are.

In other words, ‘the people’ are hereditarily incapable of self-governance because they are uncivilized and irrational, and can only be governed by a hereditary aristocracy. And so the mechanics of law must insure the inheritance of wealth, land, power, and title, in order to maintain that a noble class should always govern, lest civilization, society, and nation collapse.

That’s conservatism is a nutshell.

Paine and Jefferson disagreed with conservatism, of course, and when Paine published the Part first of The Rights of Man while in England in 1791 as an opposing response to Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France, Burke, an MP, charged him with sedition - that’s how much respect the founder of conservatism had for freedom of speech and of the press. The very idea of democracy, expressed publicly was a crime to Burke.

Bush was the right guy to be in office during the Sept 11 attacks. He brought the nation back together after that (and any americans here who can’t remember how bad it felt are lying to themselves). He shouldn’t have been re-elected though. He was surely a 1-term president. That said, Bush did serve two terms, and while we can’t pin this whole mess we’re in now on Pres Bush (it goes back way further than that, 50+ years), he is partly to blame thanks to putting us deep into a that war that we didn’t belong in. Now it’s really up to each individual to decide if Obama’s had enough time to try to clean up our mess and he needs to go, or if his presidential policies should be granted some more time to kick in. It’s a really tough decision, and it’s why the country is divided nearly 50/50.

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