Yea and naysayers, a word for the devs

[danielsangeo]

Yeah, to say that there’s absolutely no communication from the development team is just not accurate and reflects and inability to do even a sliver of research. As Raminator has said, it seems like, if the information isn’t shoved down your throat daily, it doesn’t exist. And that’s just silly.

I just recently asked a question regarding how scientists and security guards act while they’re around Gordon (healing, ammo-providing) and got an answer almost right away from Raminator (thanks duder!).

The way I see it, if someone isn’t even able to do a modicum of research on their own, then is it really the fault of the development team and their “PR department” if they are actually working on the mod and are communicating on a near daily basis?

The same questions keep popping up, over and over again, and they keep getting answered, over and over again. Is it any wonder, when the EXACT SAME QUESTION IS ASKED, that some people :facepalm:?

[Cellander]

No it’s certainly no wonder why annoyance develop over time when the same questions keep coming. Just leave it be, nothing is gained by making insulting comments. The threads are still coming. Let the moderators take care of those threads.

Things like that just contribute to the illness of this forum. This wasn’t the case 3-4 years ago, I guess it’s pretty much inevitable over such long period of time that this mod has been in development.

[TheKeeper]

No one is gonna get banned. I also think that people who pull out the ban word so easily should be banned. Its up to the admin to decide.

Back on topic, people who truly follow the community know that this mod is far from dead. However, I can understand the “lack of update” motion. That is because in its many years of development we’ve gone from honorable mentions in Pc gamer magazine, to weekly blogs to a podcast interview so on and so forth. Now it seems like we only get feedback from 2 of the devs. Rams + James. Is the dev team comprised of only 2 people now? Furthermore, I’d like to throw my balls and jump on the conspiracy express and blame this on one issue. Lack of leadership. In other words, the face of this party or project in this case is AWOL to the community. Has there even been a single post from him since the 2009 update? Its completely understandable if he’s simply busy with life, or sick etc…, but if that’s the case, just step down! Have Rams or Jameskane that the reins. Because apparently they’re the only only ones who actually give a damn about the fans. Apology for the shit post.

[danielsangeo]

@TheKeeper

Now it seems like we only get feedback from 2 of the devs. Rams + James. Is the dev team comprised of only 2 people now?

As has been said many times before (as well), only James Kane and Raminator visit this forum (regularly). There are other devs but they (usually) don’t visit here.

Furthermore, I’d like to throw my balls and jump on the conspiracy express and blame this on one issue. Lack of leadership. In other words, the face of this party or project in this case is AWOL to the community. Has there even been a single post from him since the 2009 update? Its completely understandable if he’s simply busy with life, or sick etc…, but if that’s the case, just step down!

Interesting. Who, would you say, is the “leader” you’re referring to here? I mean, considering that Raminator has the title “Lead Developer” and all…

[TheKeeper]

Unless something has changed I’m referring to Cman2k.

[Bamako]

@Vormaen

Emotional? Intelligent thought does not have to be overly emotional. Just like uneducated douche-bags with the social skills of masturbating retarded orangutangs don’t need to always be assholes. But you sir, obviously fit the bill. So kudos to you. Now go back to whatever back alley child sex ring you belong to. I made no demands, just reminded the devs of what handling a fan favorite can mean.

P.s. I welcome arguing your point but if you wanna be a jerk about it and a troll then I will always blast you out of the water. If you’re gonna put someone down, at least do it with some class and humor, you’re about as funny as a vasectomy.

Patience is meaningless unless you have faith. Faith for the end to come, faith that the material will be treated with care. Faith and religion should never be compared or used for comparison. Faith is a feeling, a way to ground yourself in something that is beyond you. Religion is a wasted attempt at holding power over others.

Jesus christ put down the thesaurus. Nobody reads long awkward posts like this.

[noonem]

[align=left]On the contrary I do believe his opinions in his forum post are most valid and well executed, but you see, mister Vormaen. No matter how well you word your thoughts, the people of the Black Mesa Source Community Forums will continue with a lack of care for your endeavours because in their opinion you do not really deserve anything but the final product that was promised to be given to you when it is released. And rightfully so seeing as the developers have not ever promised you more than that. They did not promise a demo, they did not promise to release their game like an obese Swedish person and they did most certainly not promise to communicate with a person who is not patient for a modification of a game on the internet.

Your lacking attempts to make yourself seem intelligent are also laughable, as laughable as me writing this post as like this. You might have worded the original post as the fucking Queen of England, but inside it’s still the same old thread about bitching over the lack of updates, there were thousands of these kinds of threads before you and sadly there will be[/align]thousands of threads after this one dies.

[Red]

Sorry, friend, but this mod isn’t being made specifically for you. It’s being made for everyone, and especially for the developers, and will be released whenever they feel it’s been perfected. They have their personal lives to attend before they serve us.

If you’re really itching for updates, check out the Wiki: https://www.wiki.blackmesasource.com It’s constantly being updated. It might not be too exciting, but at least you should realise that the mod certainty isn’t dead.

[Kaweebo]

The ‘Developer quotes’ thread (it’s stickied in The Cafeteria) explains exactly why the devs won’t give any information or updates about the mod. But, I’ll give you the condensed version:
A lot of people bitched no matter what they did. They made a YouTube account, people bitched. They made a Steam group, people bitched. If they gave ANY updates to the public, the fans would get overexcited and expect it to come out soon. When it didn’t, they bitched. So, rather than endure more bitchfests, they decided to stop giving stuff out and just get to work on the mod.

[Ikeruga]

Hey guys! Thought I’d stop my lurking and go about joining… might as well…

I came in somewhere in 2010, due to a post of someone asking whether they should play HL1 in order to play HL2. As always, most people said “They’re not connected, but you should play HL1 anyway because it’s a classic”. Someone said “Check out Black Mesa, it’s a mod that is HL1 properly redone due out this year!” I saw the post was 2009, and so said “Weee! I get to play HL1”.
And then this brick wall where a bunch of people before me were hanging around hit me. I saw the wiki, the videos, the twitter, etc. and thought it was a cool project. I check back less often than most, I bet, but that’s because I like to be pleasantly surprised. I have a lot of patience. I’ve waited a bunch for a bunch of things. This is really no different. And I did start playing HL2 just because I thought “Well, it isn’t related and my free time will soon be occupied by College and then work, so I might as well get this done”. One of my closest friends also did not experience HL1, and had also bought the Orange Box (a long time before me) and when I said I started playing HL2, he asked me “So you’ve given up on Black Mesa?” I told him no. He said he might. This is the kind of thing I think is the most frustrating, coming as a newbie and hitting this wall. In the end, only us with the biggest patience (I say us because I will hopefully be there, maybe not) will get to enjoy it first. What I’m trying to say is, once it is out, as thanks to these amazing, awesome, insert more ass kissing words for the devs here people, we have to get it out there. Make these people’s dreams come true. This is the best thing to keep you going: knowing that as long as you keep on being here and know when it’s coming out, you’ll make it worth it for both you to make it the biggest thing next to HL3, and at the same time, big for the devs.

(Before you criticize me, I am with the majority of people that say, whatever, it is just a mod, and won’t break my heart if it isn’t released or takes a long time. I just had a bit of an angst to get this out. I dunno.)

WALL OF TEXT FTW!

[goodie18]

@Vormaen

I know the community has had enough of trolls and negative comments. I’m not here to slam anyone, just exercise my free speech and share my thoughts or frustrations. Probably been said millions of times, but that has never stopped one single human being from sharing in his praise or disgust.

 I have watched this mod from infancy.  And to this day I truly do not know if that child has become a man, or if it's growth was stunted by events out of the Devs' control.  I know that a lot of work was put into this lovechild, and still is to this date.  It's just not enough sometimes, for a person's word to mean anything anymore.  Actions speak much louder, and human beings are prone to disbelief, even with their own faith in G_d, man, the Devil, or otherwise.  And I myself have lost a lot of faith in many things.

Communication, or the lack thereof, is killing this Mod, whether you believe me or not.  A dev could scream at me with facts and details until he's blue in the face and I still would not believe him.  All the hard work and dedication in the world could not save a project of any scope unless one thing is present: the full dedication and support of the fans.  Believe it or not but all the work in the world will amount to a steaming pile of dren if you don't have that support.

 Doing this just for yourselves cannot be used as an excuse.  The day the team unleashed themselves and their massive project to the general populous is the day you made an unspoken oath to the fans of the Half Life Universe.  That is a heavy burden and one that cannot be taken back.  People have dedicated their time and desires to this project, negative or positive feedback, because they care.  Even the Trolls with their rude and useless comments have a glimmer of hope deep in their minds that this will see the light of day.

Yet the longer things are delayed without 100% COMMUNICATION the more jaded and less hopeful people become.  By denying the community the ability to follow you all the way, by keeping them in the dark, you do them a great disservice, inadvertently effecting your futures as well.  What, you didn't do this for your sakes?  I find that hard to believe.  A successful mod of this magnitude could only mean that you hope this will open up new paths for you as a dev, designer, technician, programmer.  That cannot happen if people do not have faith in you.

This team is the strongest thing I have seen in the mod community next to the MERP team.  And I don't want to lose my faith in the project.  But my interest has wavered, and my attention has gone to other things.  New engines and techniques have come and gone in the time we've followed this project.  And the PR team whomever they may be needs to get the ball rolling.  year after year there have been misleading news onto the release date or progress on this.  And using the argument that info can be found in the forums doesn't work.

 People want to see the fruits of their hopes and aspirations, gathered for them to make it easier to believe.  Perhaps MODDB is not the place for you, but it is for the fans.  Hate it or love it, the people who grace the BM site on that website are a passionate bunch.  Their belief in the progress of this mod is unshaken no matter what one another posts there.  Even in your own forums dissension is ripe.  In the great words of a Stephen King character, "Give me what I want and I'll go away."  This can apply to almost all trolls and non-believers.  And I have yet found an easy access point in which to follow this mod from process to procedure.   I'm no idiot, I just hate forums; they're not a reliable source of information for those that hate browsing thousands of thoughts or ideas or complaints bundled together.

 I will continue to follow from time to time the evolution of the Black Mesa project, but I have lost the childlike fervor I once had in it.  Can you give that back to me?  Can you give that back to the community, the thousands upon thousands that look for this sweet eye candy with a child's excitement?  I want that back.  I want that unshaken faith back.  I'm no rich man, I cannot give you a job in the industry or the money to make your lives more comfortable.  But what I can give is my support, if it is deserved and recognized.

I too love the idea of this mod, but I am losing hope as well, what could be wrong with letting us know how the mod is doing? Many of us love all things Half-Life, so this isn’t just another mod, I am waiting for this mod as if it were HL3, shouldn’t the devs know how much this mod is anticipated, and give us something? I am not a hater, I just would like some news, and there is no new news as far as I can see. Everyone has the right to speak, but why hate on people who just want some news on a wonderful mod that we would love to play. I so agree with you, why do people jump on you just because we say what others may be afraid to say in front of these bullies who are just looking for any excuse to start a fight.:freeman:

[k3nny1550]

We’re not looking for an excuse to start a fight. Frankly, considering the OP and those in support of him, you guys really are coming off wrong. There have been stickied posts- stickied posts that cover exactly why things are the way they are at the moment. And all of the most recent content on the mod’s development is delivered through the Wiki, which you would know about if you read the stickies.

Please, read the aforementioned posts and browse the wiki. I’m sure there’s plenty to whet your appetite until the mod comes out.

[danielsangeo]

@Ikeruga

One of my closest friends … asked me “So you’ve given up on Black Mesa?” I told him no. He said he might.

Here’s how I respond to that:
Those that “give up” on the mod will either come back to the mod when it’s released or they won’t. It’s not the end of the world if they don’t play it.

It’s just a flippin’ video game, people.

[Viper0110]

This is for Vormaen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZM5LiEGn7A Please listen to 1:58 to 2:24 and 3:25 to 3: 37

Courtesy of Andrew Ryan. We all want it to come out soon, just remember patience is a virtue and all you can do is wait. Pleading for a release date or updates will not make the game release faster. Understand the developers also have jobs to attend as well, this is done all on their free time.

[Stale_Stapler]

@noonem

[align=left]On the contrary I do believe his opinions in his forum post are most valid and well executed, but you see, mister Vormaen. No matter how well you word your thoughts, the people of the Black Mesa Source Community Forums will continue with a lack of care for your endeavours because in their opinion you do not really deserve anything but the final product that was promised to be given to you when it is released. And rightfully so seeing as the developers have not ever promised you more than that. They did not promise a demo, they did not promise to release their game like an obese Swedish person and they did most certainly not promise to communicate with a person who is not patient for a modification of a game on the internet.

Your lacking attempts to make yourself seem intelligent are also laughable, as laughable as me writing this post as like this. You might have worded the original post as the fucking Queen of England, but inside it’s still the same old thread about bitching over the lack of updates, there were thousands of these kinds of threads before you and sadly there will be[/align]thousands of threads after this one dies.

it’s funny how you say his posts are valid and well executed, then claim it’s the same old thread bitching about the mod’s release :freeman:

[noonem]

because I lied

[av3nger]

My comments didn’t come through when I typed them. I guess the forums glitched. Basically I just replied to noonem that he sounded like he was speaking from the point of view of an overseer of half-life. And that isn’t a compliment. “You deserve everlasting Black Mesa.” “You deserve everlasting life.” They aren’t the same idea.

[noonem]

@av3nger

My comments didn’t come through when I typed them. I guess the forums glitched. Basically I just replied to noonem that he sounded like he was speaking from the point of view of an overseer of half-life. And that isn’t a compliment. “You deserve everlasting Black Mesa.” “You deserve everlasting life.” They aren’t the same idea.

…

I have no clue what you are talking about but it sounds pretty stupid, I’m going to leave this thread now

[Jerakal]

Boy guys, it sure is gonna be great when this mod comes out and we’ll all get our “Most Patient Fan” stars for never needing any status updates.

[danielsangeo]

Status Update
They’re working on the mod. It’ll release “when it’s done”…two weeks after the soundtrack releases.