Well Forge is more akin to TileGen in Alien Swarm then? I again bring up Far Cry 2 as the proper way to do a console level editor.
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You keep doing that.
Wow, you’re a fucking retard. You have no idea what you are talking about. I think you mean maps made in Forge are less complex or something like that, but even then that is incorrect. It all depends on how much time the user wants to put in to it. I’ve seen some fucking horrible maps made in Hammer. On the flipside I’ve seen some stunning maps in Forge that look AAA.
And I didn’t say they looked alike, I said Pinnacle reminded me of The Longest Yard in terms of gameplay, layout and style (i.e. floating platforms).
Hammer maps may look like shit because they were made by someone who maps like shit. Forge maps may look like shit because Forge is shit. And yes, most definitely in every way possible is a well mad forge map less complex then a well made Hammer map (unless of course the map is well made but simple).
Once again, since you people can’t understand logic, here’s some pictures.
Hammer editor
Forge
The former is undeniably more complex and is yet far far from the most complex thing made in hammer. I challenge you; show me the most impressive thing you have seen that was made in Forge, and I will show you a hammer made map that kicks it’s ass in every way possible.
Technically since forge maps have a more limited number of permutations because of limited models, they will tend to be more samey and as such less worse than hammer maps for an equal creativity input, and the most creative of Hammer maps will be far superior than the most creative of forge maps. However, forge is better compared to GMOD than hammer, as anyone who honestly considers it a better tool is without a doubt the stupidest person I know.
I think the problem here is that you guys think We’re trying to pit forge and Hammer against each other. All I’ve been saying is that as long as Forge is useful, it will be used. Regardless of it’s quality, it’s the only choice.
Also, what good is Hammer if HL2: DM sucks and Gmod is only good for a few minutes of fun (FUCK RP) unless you go in with CLEAR intentions (which usually means making a machinima or something and not requiring a custom map)?
What if I want to make a map for a game I enjoy playing and not a map for a game that I can only stand for 15 minutes before the deathruns / obstacle courses start to grate on me? What if I want to make a map for a game that me and all my friends can cue up in literally less than 5 seconds? What if I want to just spend a few hours building a map and worrying about how FUN it is instead of worrying about how PRETTY it is?
Sure, I don’t have to be very skilled to put some blocks together. That’s a given. But there are universal skills required in any mapping app. A sense of scale, balance, and budget are among a much larger list of senses one would need. Why would Forge’s simple nature exclude these needs? There are good and bad forgers.
Forge is fundamentally flawed in the way it works (mostly because it wasn’t intended to make maps at first), but I don’t give a flying fuck. It’s fun, and effective, and has multiplayer on top of that, and has possibly the fastest, easiest map testing abilities. That’s all it needs to be to pass itself above the average mark.
Pre-built bases auuuuuuugh. I agree, it is superior (in terms of large scale editing), but that map DL time isn’t worth it most of the time. And also, You could make all the maps you want, I still won’t go near FC2 ever again. Crytech should have been the ones to make that. Maybe then we’d have a decent current gen island stealth/ action shooter and not a rushed knockoff spiritual successor (talkin bout both Crysis AND fc2).
TF2, single-player, maps for mods, making DM fun, which it can be, etc.
Also, I think I’ve been saying since page one Forge is best compared to GMOD.
Do you even realize that complexity of a map is inversely proportional to it’s actual gameplay value? Did you ever try to make a decent, balanced multiplayer map that plays good and flows good (which is the whole point of multiplayer maps)?
Actually , let’s trace where this bullshit debate started.
As a rebuttal to your “hurr durr so few good maps in reach”, someone told you about Forge editor being clearly enough for expanding quality multiplayer map pool in the game. Which is true.
Then you, completely missing the point (probably deliberately ignoring it, because, as always, you couldn’t handle the fact that somebody was actually proving you wrong), proceeded to tell us cool stories about Hammer, it’s awesomeness and how it allows more complexity and customization than forge, which at the same time had ZERO relevance to the actual topic, which was Halo Reach multiplayer at that point. No one even implied trying to compare Source to Halo engine.
It’s both amusing and extremely tiresome how you always look for a blatantly irrelevant argument in attempt to add some validity to your rebuttals, for the sake of just not giving up your bullshit arguments.
Now please, either stop posting or admit that you were just wasting people’s time here.
Garthbartin returns, restates previous statements and badly disguises it as a rebuttal, waits
xalener returns, repeats previous statements and badly disguises it as a rebuttal, waits
Fair is fair, neither of you have said anything new for at least 4 pages.
Well at least xalener is not talking out of his ass.
And you haven’t said anything period 
You’re comparing forge to other shit when that couldn’t be more far of from the actual topic.
I’m just saying there is questionable value to comparing a toy like Forge to a tool like Hammer. Hammer can create games, Forge cannot. As such, my contribution to this discussion is that it is entirely pointless.
He always talks shit about others, yet he ain’t shit himself.
This.
And Garry’s Mod is A FUCKING GAME. Do NOT compare it to a level editor, because (in it’s simplest form,) it is placing props.
And if you say Gmod isn’t fun you’re retarded and have only played on some RP sever. RP is for fags.
HL2: DM isn’t great, but it’s just death match.
Good god. Will you ever cease discussing this crap?
You can remove yourself from this at any point.
Why, thank you, I’m fine without your help.
Shuddup
Who? I hadn’t said otherwise.
EDIT: Oh ODB right? Got em blocked. :S